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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qoH SuS je bopbogh lut'e'

Rohan Fenwick ([email protected]) [KLI Member] 

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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>ghItlhpu' nIqolay, jatlh:<br><div>&gt; we have a word for "brick" and not one for "mortar".<br><br>vIjangpu' jIH, jIjatlh:<br>&gt; Well... no, not strictly. {ngogh} is really more "block" or "chunk" than<br>&gt; "brick" specifically; we've seen it used to describe, among other things,<br>&gt; pillows and loaves of bread.<br><br>mujang je ghaH, jatlh:<br>&gt; True. I wanted to preserve the "stone and ____" structure of the<br>&gt; sentence and couldn't think of any other existing words that could be<br>&gt; conceivably be used in a wall,<br><br>Two alternatives spring to mind. The only other specific construction material item we have is {majyang} "tile". But there is also {baS} "metal"; ancient societies on Earth would often stabilise stone constructions with metal clamps or staples between blocks.<br><br>nIqolay:<br>&gt; ben law' QInlat veng ghoS jevbogh muD.<br><br>jIH:<br>&gt; Hm. I'm not overly comfortable with {muD} to mean a specific weather<br>&gt; phenomenon - only the weather in general. {jevbogh SuS} is probably all you<br>&gt; need here.<br><br>nIqolay:<br>&gt; I thought that the implicit subject for weather verbs was {muD},<br><br>Well, we really don't know that. There is an interesting example of usage from the paq'batlh:<br><br>chaHDaq SIStaHvIS negh 'Iw<br>"while the soldiers' blood rained upon them"<br>(paq'raD 13.15)<br><br>taH:<br>&gt; {muD} does seem more like it should apply to a general condition of<br>&gt; being stormy, rather than a specific weather system considered as a<br>&gt; single entity that could approach a place.<br><br>Yes, that was my thought too.<br><br>&gt; (It makes me wish that there really was a noun for {jev}.)<br><br>Why not recast: {ben law' QInlat vengDaq tugh jevchoH} "many years ago, at the city of Quin'lat, it was soon going to storm". Funnily enough, though, there is a noun "storm" attested in no' Hol:<br><br>'ach juqmut wob g'irDet, Dyav q'usru g'ir Dya<br>"the louder [the hearts] beat, the larger the storm became"<br>(paq'batlh prologue: 2.5-6)<br><br>Here {Dyav q'usru g'ir Dya} means "the storm's strength also increased", where *Dyav "storm" can only be acting as a noun in a noun-noun compound.<br><br>QeS<br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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