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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] keeping "KLI folklore" words in word lists

PICHLMANN Christoph (Christoph.PICHLMANN@agrana.com) [KLI Member]



How many beginners actually know of these lists? Is it reasonable to expect that someone new will know to look for all that, and know that they're trustworthy and/or current? 
From the list, I'd trust maybe 2 or three to have new words in them. (boQwI', qepHom and maybe mu'ghom - the last one only because I know it's trustworthy)
The rest I either don't know or wouldn't trust to be updated.

I don't see how people can learn fake words when all they get is "XYZ is not a klingon word". No attempted translation, just that the word isn't real, but for some reason is known enough for someone to stumble across it.

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:32:29 +0100
From: Lieven <levinius@gmx.de>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
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Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] keeping "KLI folklore" words in word lists
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ja' reyutqa':
> Let's take "tlhoqo' " as an example - I just searched for it (using Google).
 > Judging by the results I got, I have no way to know if it is canon
 > or not, because no source explicitely says either way.
> boQwI' also doesn't list it, neither does Klingonska.org -

 > so what is the conclusion I'm supposed to draw from that?

Actually, you should know or see which sources to trust.
The only true result gives you a page with hundreds of languages and 
claims to have "native" klingon speakers. (well, actually, we know most 
of these). I'm not sure how much to trust this.

You don't find it in boQwI'.
You don't find it in the klingon dictionary.
You don't find it in klingonska.org.
You don't find it in kli.org's new word list.
You don't find it in qepHom.de's new word list.
You don't find it in KAG Hol 'ampaS.
You don't find it in the KLI's wiki.
You don't find it in Memory Alpha.
You don't find it in Memory Beta.
You don't find it in GerDic Dictionary.
You don't find it in mu'ghom.Wikia.
You don't find it in Glosbe.com dictionary.

If you have difficulties finding a word in the web, there must be a 
reason for this. For instance, note the Wikipedia policy: They 
explicitely do NOT set up pages for incorrectly spelled words, just to 
make clear for the user that the word is just not existing. Only very 
frequent misspellings are shown ("Diphtong" forwards to "Diphthong", but 
"diftong" does not give an answer), but if the word does not exist in 
proper english (or proper Klingon), it's just not listed.

What I want to say is that one should not spread fake words, which 
people will learn, then use, and then Okrand must vet them because they 
have become common slang terms. We don't want to have a day when people 
say that Okrand created a klingon word for asshole which is tlhoqo'. 
It's a negative image for both Okrand and for Kloko.

See what happened with "qaqItlhneS"!
Search for it to find out.

-- 
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
http://wiki.qepHom.de

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