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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: Catholic priest seeks recording of prayer in Klingon

Robyn Stewart ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']



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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;m not Catholic and did not read the English &nbsp;(I found it kind of confusing) but the Klingon prayer was clear and made sense except for this bit:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>{bISop} Qel je {San &#8216;ISIDor} &#8216;ej nuboQ &#8216;e&#8217; wIqoy&#8217;. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>The &#8216;ej in this sentence seems misplaced. Is the sentence supposed to be:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>nuboQ {bISop} Qel je {San &#8216;ISIDor} &#8216;e&#8217; wIqoy&#8217;.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>yIghoSmoH --&gt; tIghoSmoH<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>wIghomboghvaD &#8211; the -vaD belongs on the noun, not the verb, and shouldn&#8217;t it be DI-?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>Review the rules for Hoch: you may find you need nuvpu&#8217; to convey the meaning you want.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>I like the idea, and whether through the intercession of a divine being or not, it&#8217;s a fine way to approach the internet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>- Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> David Holt [mailto:[email protected]] <br><b>Sent:</b> August 14, 2014 23:07<br><b>To:</b> [email protected]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: Catholic priest seeks recording of prayer in Klingon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>&gt; From: <a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br>&gt; CC: <a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br>&gt; <br>&gt; ... I'm much more bothered by phrases like, &quot;especially&quot;, &quot;Only-begotten son&quot;, &quot;intercession&quot;, and &quot;Bishop&quot;. ...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &quot;Bishop&quot; came from Ancient Greek &quot;epi-skopos&quot; = &quot;over-looker&quot;, i.e. one who oversees the running of the Church in his area.<br>&nbsp;<br>And the award for completely missing the point goes to...<br>&nbsp;<br>Anyway, let me be clear.&nbsp; I do not expect a project like this to convert anyone to Christianity and I wouldn't expect fictional Klingons to have any interest in this.&nbsp; However, I do hope there are a few members of the Roman church that are also science fiction fans who can appreciate this and maybe even develop an interest in tlhIngan Hol because of it.&nbsp; And even if it never converts anyone in either direction (i.e. speaker to Christ or Christian to Hol) it was a project that I had an interest in so it could easily inspire me to do some extra activity with the language.<br>&nbsp;<br>There are probably some things in my translation that are questionable, but I'm sure&nbsp;this is much better than the nonsense that's currently up there.&nbsp; However, I welcome suggestions for improvement and so I offer this here first for critique before I send it to Father Z.&nbsp; Terms that the Roman church tends to&nbsp;have specialized words for regardless of language have been transliterated and marked in&nbsp;curly brackets.&nbsp; Feel free to debate any controversial subjects that I have stirred up, but unless you offer me an alternative that I find acceptable, don't expect it to change the translation that I will offer to Father Z.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>weQmoQnaQDaq Surarpa&#8217; tayvam yIjatlh:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#333333;background:white'>&#8216;o Qun&#8217;a&#8217;, SoH HoS law&#8217; Hoch HoS puS &#8216;ej reH bItaHtaH. &nbsp;juchenmoH &#8216;ej pIrur. &nbsp;Hoch QaQ, Hoch teH, Hoch &#8216;IH je DInej &#8216;e&#8217; Dara&#8217;. &nbsp;SoHvo&#8217; boghbogh puqloD neH ghaH {yeSu&#8217; QISto&#8217;&#8217;e&#8217;} &#8216;ej Qun porgh ghaH &#8216;ej joH&#8217;a&#8217;ma&#8217; ghaH. &nbsp;ghaHDaq QaQwI&#8217;, teHwI&#8217;, &#8216;IHwI&#8217; je DInejnIS je. &nbsp;{bISop} Qel je {San &#8216;ISIDor} &#8216;ej nuboQ &#8216;e&#8217; wIqoy&#8217;. &nbsp;weQmoQnaQDaq malengtaHvIS ghopDu&#8217;majvaD mInDu&#8217;majvaD je nIbelmoHbogh Dochmey neH yIghoSmoH &#8216;ej Hoch nuv wIghomboghvaD ghoberghHa&#8217;moH &#8216;ej ghotuvmoH. &nbsp;joH&#8217;a&#8217;ma&#8217; ghaHbogh QISto&#8217;vo&#8217; wItlhob. &nbsp;{&#8216;amen}.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt' id=docs-internal-guid-41e59db5-d807-6347-5209-1666181ce1bd><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333;background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333;background:white'>A prayer before logging onto the internet:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt' id=docs-internal-guid-41e59db5-d801-12d3-57d7-d8ec2e02d09c><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333;background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333;background:white'>Almighty and eternal God, who created us in Thine image and bade us to seek after all that is good, true and beautiful, especially in the divine person of Thine Only-begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, grant, we beseech Thee, that, through the intercession of Saint Isidore, Bishop and Doctor, during our journeys through the internet we will direct our hands and eyes only to that which is pleasing to Thee and treat with charity and patience all those souls whom we encounter. Through Christ our Lord. &nbsp;&nbsp;Amen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt' id=docs-internal-guid-41e59db5-d801-12d3-57d7-d8ec2e02d09c><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333;background:white'><br>Jeremy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt' id=docs-internal-guid-41e59db5-d801-12d3-57d7-d8ec2e02d09c><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333;background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt' id=docs-internal-guid-41e59db5-d801-12d3-57d7-d8ec2e02d09c>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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