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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Translating the past

Robyn Stewart ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']

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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>&gt; </span>Could one not say {wa'leS ghaH HoHlu'pu'}, indicating that by tomorrow&nbsp;he will have gotten himself killed? This sentence uses perfective <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>&gt; </span>but not in any past sense, Klingon cultural attitudes toward counting one's chickens notwithstanding. If grammar allows such a construction, it <span style='color:#1F497D'>&gt; </span>would divorce -pu' and -ta' from any connection with the past, except insofar as the past is more somewhat more certain than the future.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all>I don’t think there is any controversy about that sentence. It parallels ghorgh tujchoHpu’ bIQ?  I don’t believe anyone is arguing that perfective implies past or past requires perfective, and if they were, I would think they were wrong.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The controversial area is:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If an action is single and completed, is a timestamp sufficient, or does it also require a perfective aspect suffix?<br>Can &lt;DuqIp’a’?&gt; mean “Did she hit you?” [once] or only “Does she/did she hit you?” [generally] or “Will she hit you?”<br>One of the sticking points is interpretation of the word “usually” in the second paragraph of TKD 4.2.7.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>- Qov<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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