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[Tlhingan-hol] Canon and feelings for translating be-verbs with "there"

Robyn Stewart ([email protected])

From: "Robyn Stewart" <[email protected]>
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] Canon and feelings for translating be-verbs with "there"
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 09:33:16 -0700
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I know that I write and say sentences like</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">:<BR>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">law&#8217; &#8216;Iw.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> &#8211;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">Blood is abundant. =</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">There&#8217;s a lot of blood.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><BR>
<FONT FACE="Calibri">puS</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">Soj.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">&#8211;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> Food</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">is sparse. = There&#8217;s not much food.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><BR>
<FONT FACE="Calibri">Sar nuH</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">chaj</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">. &#8211;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">Their w</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">eapo</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">ns</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">are</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">var</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">ious</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">. = They have a variety of we</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">pons.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> (A slightly different matter, but I&#8217;d be interested in th</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">at, too).</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><BR>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Do we have any canon for the second translation with &#8220;there&#8221;? Is it just obvious as a way to</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">make a smooth translation? Or does anyone feel that &#8216;Iw law&#8217; tu&#8217;lu&#8217; is necessary in order to use that translation.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> Does anyone prefer &#8216;Iw law&#8217; tu&#8217;lu&#8217; for that thought and think puS Soj is stilted?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><BR>
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<FONT FACE="Calibri">The KLPC syllabus does not include</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">&#8211;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">lu</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">&#8217;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">or adjectival use of stative verbs,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">and I am working on the principle of introducing nothing that is not on the syllabus, while still creating sentences.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The closest I have found so far in canon for the &#8220;there&#8221; appearing in the translation</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> to smooth things over</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">[</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">naDev</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">]</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> qaS wanI&#8217; ramqu&#8217; &#8211; There is nothing happening</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">[</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">here</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">]</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">It&#8217;s the same idea</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">:</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca">&nbsp;<FONT FACE="Calibri"> &#8220;verb X&#8221; which should strictly be translated as</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">&#8220;X verbs&#8221; becomes &#8220;There is X verbing</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT FACE="Calibri">&#8221;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><BR>
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<FONT FACE="Calibri">I don&#8217;t expect anyone is going to object to such</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">translations, but I have been twitching for fifteen years every time I see ghopHomDu&#8217; translated as &#8220;small hands&#8221; in the postal course, so I want to make sure this doesn&#8217;t irk anyone.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><BR>
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<FONT FACE="Calibri">- Qov</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><BR>
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