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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' cha'vatlh wa'maH Soch: romuluSngan SuvchoHmeH ngeD

Robyn Stewart ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']

At 14:52 '?????' 7/6/2012, you wrote:

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Qov <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hota'ro' ghoS vajar 'ej DaQDaj luH. noDmeH DIng Hota'ro' 'ach vajar Hotpa'
> mev'egh.

mev'eghbe'chugh, Hot'a' Hota'ro' ro'?


ghaytan pummoH. chaq HoH. Qob ghopDu'Daj.


> Hagh vajar. jatlh, "reH bIDugh. QaplI''a' nablIj?"
>
> "HIja'," jatlh Hota'ro'. "yIlegh. QujvetlhvaD boqchuq ngaH Sogh, ya Sogh je. 

jonpIn ghaH ngaH'e' qar'a'? 'ay'mey ngo'Daq patlhDaj vInej. vItu'be'
'ach Sogh moch ghaH 'e' vItu'.

I've been compensating for my confusion about ranks by looking up the
context in which characters were introduced. I didn't notice ngaH
being identified by rank before, but it surprises me to see that she's
a {Sogh}, as at least two of her subordinates were {Sogh} as well.

{ya Sogh} sounds very odd to me. "Lieutenant Tactical Officer"? Was
{ya} supposed to be a name?


Ahh, okay problem here. One thing at a time:
1. ngaH's rank: Not being able to find ngaH's rank easily by rereading is understandable. vajar had the same problem. She wasn't introduced by rank, only by position, and she wasn't wearing a uniform or rank insignia. Later the fat yeoman addressed her by rank, and vajar thought the yeoman was talking to him, because ngaH's rank is "HoD." vajar, in fact, is ranked la', a rank below HoD, but carries the title HoD because he commands a vessel. ngaH doesn't command a vessel, but is in charge of a staff larger than vajar's crew at full complement, reports to a Sa', and knows how to play the woQ Quj better than vajar ever will. She's a senior command officer For a comparison, on the Enterprise-A at the time of The Search for Spock, both Spock and Scotty held the rank of captain. I haven't specified ngaH's age, but she's not much younger than vajar and could well be older.
As well as learning about the condition of vajar's ship, I hoped in the scenes in engineering for the reader to recognize that despite her size, ngaH was a powerful member of the crew and engineering a sizable, hardworking department with some autonomy and some ability to evade the ever-present veS security.
2. ngaH Sogh and ya Sogh were both intended as possessives, "ngaH's lieutenant" and "the tactical officer's lieutenant." As I wrote and proofread I didn't notice how they could be misinterpreted, but they obviously were misinterpreted by a competent speaker of Klingon, so I need to fix them.
Let's see: jonpIn Sogh won't work if ya Sogh didn't, so {ngaH toy'bogh Sogh'e'}, {to' 'ay' Sogh} je? jonwI' 'ay' Sogh/ya 'ay' Sogh vay' yIchup. 


> DaH yeqmeH 'ebmey jonlI'mo', cha' rep pIq chaq voqchuqqang."

cha' rep pIq qaS nuq? latlh nablI''a' Hota'ro'?
chaq nablI'. chaq lopno' poH chov neH. DaSovlaHbe'. 'ach DaH taQqu'be'choHpu' ghaH, qar'a'? 


> vumtaHmo' Dach ngaH.

jImISchu'. yeqtaH ngaH ya je 'e' vIQub. Qaghba' vay'.


Dach ya, ngaH je. not yeqlaw' yavetlh ja' vajar DorwI'.


> SaH Qoreq[258]. Suchta' qaH'eng 'ach yaHDajDaq
> cheghnISpu'. reH vum'a' be'vetlh?

chaq ja'chuq ghaH, vumnIStaHbogh latlh je.


vumtaH 'e 'tIvlaw'. chaq vumqu'mo' wo' toy'bej 'e' ghetlaH.


> SaH Qugh Qel, 'ach tugh mej.

rep vIghochchugh, ghaytan Qa'bar DujHomDaq Qollu'.
tugh qechvetlh DachovlaH. bIQDaq 'eSSIm pumba'pu' 'ach Qa'bar DujDaj pawpu''a' Mossam? 


> ratlh wa'
> latlh Qel, rachwI' puS je. vajar lumer SaHbogh nuvpu' mI'.

**
naDev lugh'a' <_lu_mer>? mer mI' 'ar?


jISovbe'. jaS vang Hol Sar. tlhIngan HolvaD chovnatlh wIghaj'a'


> vaghmaH nuv
> lutu'lu'. may'mey law' SIQpu' yaSpu'vam 'ej yaymey Dun chavtaH. lutmey
> 'IjtaHvIS vajar, yabDajDaq chentaH nger. quvHa'taHmo' Duj, quvHey luchavmeH
> may'Daq Suvqu'. 'ach quvna' luneHba'. yaSpu' mInDu' bejtaHvIS vajar
> lotlhruplaw'ghach ghovlaw',

yaS wa'DIch Dun wIvta'.
wIvmey law' ghajbe'pu'. jaS Qubmo' Hota'ro', tlhoS lajHa' vajar, 'ach QapmeH nabDaj numnIS. chaq DaH ghojlI': pImDI' yaSpu', wa' Dol nIvDaq tay'DI' Qap. 


> 'ach chay' vang.

qech vIyajbej, 'ej mu'tlhegh vIlaj, 'ach chenmeH pab nIt
vISamlaHbe'law'. jIQubqu'taHchugh, chaq jIponHa''egh 'ej mu'tlhegh
vIlajHa'.


SenglIj vIghovbe'.

rIQqu' 'uS: chay' yIt?
Hujbej Sojvam nov: chay' maSop?
yaSpu' pIlmoHmeH vajar, chay' vang?


> jatlhbe' vay', <mInDu'lIjmo'
> qImyal Sa' DaHoH DaneH 'e' vISov. Ha'! meH wIjevjaj!> romuluSnganpu'
> jeynISlu'DI' ngeD ghu'.

**
_lu_jeynISlu'DI'

> pa' 'el ne'. nom ghutar chol 'e' bej vajar. ghutarvaD jatlhtaHvIS vajarDaq
> SIq 'ej bej.

**
'ut'a' <-Daq>? yapbe''a' <vajar SIq 'ej bej>?
rut mumISmoH SIq chutmey. vIHotchugh 'oHDaq jISIq'a' 'ach vIcha'chugh neH 'oH vISIq'a'? 


> mejDI' ne' SIbI' vajar chol ghutar. tlhupchoH. jatlh, "vajar
> HoD, nIqopmeH ghoSlI' qImyal 'avwI'pu'."
>
> jatlh vajar, "qatlh? chaw' Hutlhmo' lopno'wIj jay'?"

I'm trying to hear the question mark, but the terminal {jay'} doesn't
seem to be cooperating. I really want there to be a {'a'} somewhere.
Clearly it's a sentence fragment, and I think I've stretched credibility with the extent to which these characters do speak in complete sentences. I'm perfectly happy with an elided main verb. 


We've heard {'entepray' 'a'?} from Klaa, and I don't think it would be
completely out of the question (!) to do something similar here. But
that's definitely more of a stretch than leaving out an implied
{muqop'a'}, especially since {muqop} is implied a moment earlier, so I
should just shut up.


bIjatlh 'e' yItaH.


> jatlh ghutar, "ghobe'. qama' Sevmeyvo' De' DanIHta' net jatlh.

Sevmey qelchoH 'Iv? toH, chaq Qa'bar DujDaq QaptaH DaqwI' cha'DIch.
chaq qeng Qugh Qel.
wej poH Dangu'chu'be'ta' 'e' vIHar. taghDI' 'ay''a' wa'maH, gharben cha' mejpu' vajar. taghDI' 'ay''a'vam veSDaq pawlI' vajar. qaSqa'lI' poH nIb. 


> Saghqu' ghu'.
> DuHevbeHchoH joy'wI' pa' 'e' ra'. DaH pa' ghoSlI' Sa'."
>
> "Dap!" jatlh vajar. betleH pep 'ej raSDaq QamchoH. HoSba'mo' raS
> ghorbe'.[253]

vaj beplaHbe' HungpIn. 'ach jenmo' vajar DoS nap mojpu'.


SIbI' Sengvetlh Daghovpu' jIHagh.


> jatlh vajar, "vIjonlu'pa' jIHeghjaj." lunaD nuv law' 'ej
> tlhutlh. HIq naD neH vajar 'e' luHar 'ach tlhIngan qa'chaj pIlmoH vajar
> mu'mey.
>
> "tlhIngan maH!" jach vay' 'ej mu'mey Sey tlhoQDaq DuDchuq naDmey law'.

(What's Klingon for "rhubarb"?)


I bet it has a H and a rgh in it.


> "bIng ghoS!" jatlh ghutar. "nISwI' tIH." yaj vajar. raSDaq ghaHtaHchugh
> QeqlaHchu' 'avwI'pu'.

toy'chu' HoD beq. HungpIn pov rur ghutar.
pervetlh wIvta'DI' ghutar, tlhochbe' vajar, 'ach Dotlhvetlh bajtaH ghutar lagh. ghaytan yIntaHbogh qo'larngan tu'be'pu'mo' DIv tIqDaj. tob'eghnISqa'. 


> bong yaSpu'chajDaq bach luneHbe'mo' 'avwI'pu' vajarvaD
> rav qaq law' raS qaq puS. ghutarmo' Hagh 'op 'ach Sagh ghu' 'e' tlhoj 'op.

wa' Doch 'oH'a' 'opvam'e'? In English, "some are" if you're talking
about a count of things, but "some is" if you're talking about a part
of a thing. The difference would probably be mirrored by {'op Doch}
and {Doch 'op} in Klingon. Is {'op} alone singular or plural when it
means "some (of them)"? If it's plural, {'e' _lu_tlhoj 'op}.


Again, dunno. I'll put a lu- on that one for you.


> HIvje'mey roQ 'ej nuHmey lel. pa'Daq lenglI' Sov yu'egh. tach lu'elDI' cha'
> 'avwI'pu', may'morgh lurur Suvrupbogh lopwI'pu'.
<quvHey luchavmeH may'Daq Suvqu'> jatlhlu'pu'. DaH may'Daq quvna'vaD Suvqu'rup. 

dun dun DUN!

wej rav charchoHmoH 'Iw. 'ach tugh.
- Qov 

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