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[Tlhingan-hol] qo''e' tu'bogh pagh - 'ay' loS

De'vID jonpIn ([email protected]) 

<p>Some very difficult lines in this part.  </p>
<p>(CARTWRIGHT: nuq wISutlh?)<br>
SPOCK: neHmaH HeH retlhDaq tengchaHmeymaj &#39;ejyo&#39;waw&#39;meymaj je DIlagh.  tlhoS qaStaHvIS SochmaH DIS, maSuvchuqrupqu&#39; tlhInganpu&#39; maH je.  Dor ghu&#39;vam&#39;e&#39; luDIllaHbe&#39;bogh tlhInganpu&#39;.<br>

boQDu&#39;: *Bill*, &#39;ejyo&#39; wIpujqu&#39;moH &#39;e&#39; wIchup&#39;a&#39;?<br>
C in C: malengbejtaH[1] &#39;ej maQulbejtaH, HoD, &#39;ach...<br>
CARTWRIGHT: jImorghnIS.  DIvI&#39; logh qoDDaq wunHa&#39;choH tlhInganpu&#39; &#39;e&#39; wIchaw&#39;chugh vaj maHoH&#39;egh.  qIbDaq nov veQ lumoj tlhInganpu&#39;.  &#39;ej &#39;ejyo&#39; wIlaghchugh, yermaj DanDI&#39; mut vaQ[2] maHub&#39;eghlaHbe&#39;.  tormoHmeH &#39;eb &#39;oH &#39;ebvam&#39;e&#39;.  ghIq mab wIqon &#39;e&#39; wIpoQmeH HoSmaj QaQ law&#39; HoSchaj QaQ puS.[3]<br>

KIRK: qaH!<br>
C in C: *qIrq* HoD?<br>
KIRK: not tlhInganpu&#39; voqlaH vay&#39;.[4]  DoS&#39;e&#39; qIpbogh *Cartwright* &#39;aj vIqIp[5] &#39;e&#39; raDlu&#39;.[6]  qechvam lajvIplu&#39;.[7]</p>
<p>[1] - I&#39;m surprised there&#39;s no word for &quot;explore&quot;, considering &quot;to explore strange new worlds&quot; and all that.<br>
[2] - Can {vaQ} be applied to {mut}?<br>
[3] - &quot;Then we&#39;ll be in a far better position...&quot;  Better than what?  I don&#39;t know how to express a comparative in Klingon where the thing being compared to isn&#39;t specified.  I&#39;ve translated it as &quot;we&#39;ll be in a better position than the Klingons&quot;, but I think Cartwright really means &quot;we&#39;ll be in a better position than we are now&quot;.  I&#39;d written {ghIq HoSmaj QaQ law&#39; DaH HoSmaj QaQ puS}, but can the adverbials {ghIq} and {DaH} be used in this way?  <br>

[4] - Or should this be {reH tlhInganpu&#39; voqlaH pagh}?  Of course, what I really want is {-lu&#39;} with {-laH}: {not tlhInganpu&#39; *luvoqlaHlu&#39;}.<br>
[5] - The expressions we have for &quot;I agree with him&quot; all put all the agreeing parties into the subject: {maQochbe&#39; [ghaH jIH je]}, {wa&#39; DoS wIqIp [ghaH jIH je]}.  However, Kirk and Cartwright are not being forced to agree with each other; only Kirk is being forced to agree with Cartwright.  {DoS&#39;e&#39; qIpbogh *Cartwright* &#39;aj vIqIp} &quot;I hit the target hit by Admiral Cartwright&quot; -- does this work as an obvious extension of {wa&#39; DoS wIqIp} but with the emphasis put on Kirk&#39;s role?<br>

[6] - {vIqIp &#39;e&#39; raDlu&#39;} &quot;I am compelled to hit (it)&quot;  I follow the example of {Damuv &#39;e&#39; wIvlu&#39;} &quot;You are chosen to join (it)&quot; here.  Or would {vIqIp net raD} be less controversial?<br>

[7] - How to translate &quot;terrifying&quot;?  It&#39;s culturally taboo for Klingons to express fear.  Of course, a Federation officer is saying this line, so maybe he can get away with saying something a Klingon would never say.  Or maybe I can use {ghIj} instead of {-vIp}: {qechvammo&#39; ghIjqu&#39;lu&#39;}?  I like {-vIp} because it&#39;s underused, compared to {ghIj}.</p>

<p>&gt; CARTWRIGHT: Negotiations for what?<br>
&gt; SPOCK: The dismantling of our space stations and starbases along the<br>
&gt; Neutral Zone, an end to almost seventy years of unremitting hostility<br>
&gt; with the Klingons, which the Klingons can no longer afford.<br>
&gt; MILITARY AIDE: Bill, are we talking about mothballing the Starfleet?<br>
&gt; C in C: I&#39;m sure that our exploration and scientific programs would be<br>
&gt; unaffected, Captain, but...<br>
&gt; CARTWRIGHT: I must protest. To offer the Klingons a safe haven within<br>
&gt; Federation space is suicide. Klingons would become the alien trash of<br>
&gt; the galaxy. And if we dismantle the fleet, we&#39;d be defenceless before<br>
&gt; an aggressive species with a foothold on our territory. The<br>
&gt; opportunity here is to bring them to their knees. Then we&#39;ll be in a<br>
&gt; far better position to dictate terms.<br>
&gt; KIRK: Sir!<br>
&gt; C in C: Captain Kirk?<br>
&gt; KIRK: The Klingons have never been trustworthy. I&#39;m forced to agree<br>
&gt; with Admiral Cartwright. This is a terrifying idea.</p>

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