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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Type 7 verb suffixes (was Re: nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh wejmaH vagh: <potlh QonoS>)

De'vID jonpIn ([email protected]) 

<p>SuStel:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m not just talking about the verb inflection here; you have to consider the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; manner in which you would use the sentence.</p>
<p>ghunchu&#39;wI&#39;:<br>
&gt;&gt; The manner in which *I* would use the sentence is exactly parallel to my use of<br>
&gt;&gt; the sentences &quot;I eat&quot; and &quot;I will eat&quot;. When I say &quot;I ate&quot;, I&#39;m not trying to imply<br>
&gt;&gt; completion. I&#39;m just expressing past tense. You obviously would use the sentence<br>
&gt;&gt; differently, but that doesn&#39;t make my use incorrect.</p>
<p>maQochlaw&#39; SuStel jIH je (&#39;ej maQochbe&#39;law&#39; ghunchu&#39;wI&#39; jIH je).</p>
<p>{Sop} wIqelDI&#39; jaS wIQublaw&#39;mo&#39; maQoch.</p>
<p>nuq &#39;oS {Sop}?  </p>
<p>&#39;uQ SoplaH vay&#39;.  to&#39;baj &#39;uS lughoDlu&#39;bogh SoplaH vay&#39;.  Ho&#39;Du&#39;Daq to&#39;baj &#39;uSHom lughoDlu&#39;bogh SoplaH vay&#39;.  qar&#39;a&#39;?</p>
<p>nujDaq vay&#39; lan.  chaq yIv.  ghIq ghup.  Sop rIntaH, qar&#39;a&#39;?  nay&#39; naQ &#39;oHnISbe&#39; vay&#39;&#39;e&#39;.</p>
<p>SuStel:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; So no, if you just had one bite of an apple, you wouldn&#39;t subsequently inform<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; someone &quot;I ate.&quot; That is used to indicate you&#39;ve eaten to your satisfaction. You<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; might say &quot;I ate a piece of apple,&quot; but not &quot;I ate.&quot;</p>
<p>ghunchu&#39;wI&#39;:<br>
&gt;&gt; You&#39;re wrong. I WOULD say &quot;I ate&quot; in that context. When I use the verb<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;to eat&quot; I do not necessarily mean to imply a meal, or even a<br>
&gt;&gt; satisfying snack.</p>
<p>SuStel:<br>
&gt; It&#39;s not &quot;to eat,&quot; it&#39;s the exact sentence &quot;I ate.&quot; That sentence, and no other forms, inflections, or words.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Prince: Did you take a bite out of this apple?<br>
&gt; Snow White: Yes, I ate.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; She wouldn&#39;t say that!</p>
<p>loDHomvaD raSDaq naH jengva&#39; lan SoSDaj.  jatlh SoS, &lt;DaH Qu&#39;Hom vIchavmeH jImej.  jIcheghDI&#39; naH DaSopnISta&#39;.&gt; jang loDHom, jatlh, &lt;lu&#39;, qaH!&gt;</p>
<p>mejpu&#39;DI&#39; SoS, loQ naH chop loDHom &#39;ej ghup.  cha&#39;logh chop &#39;ej ghup.  wejlogh chop &#39;ej ghup.  Soj mumDI&#39; par.  nujvo&#39; ratlhwI&#39; tlhIS.  jengva&#39;vo&#39; veQDaq Soj woD.</p>
<p>chegh SoSDaj.  ghaHvaD ghel, &lt;bISop&#39;a&#39;?&gt;</p>
<p>chay&#39; jang loDHom?  jatlh, &lt;HIja&#39;, jISop.&gt;</p>
<p>jangDI&#39; loDHom, lugh&#39;a&#39;?  vIt&#39;a&#39;?  Sop, &#39;ach Hoch Sopbe&#39;.  Sop rIntaH, &#39;ach Hoch Sop rIntaHbe&#39;.*</p>
<p>* - {rIntaHbe&#39;} vIlo&#39;laH&#39;a&#39;?  {rInbe&#39;taH} &#39;oH&#39;a&#39;?</p>
<p>--<br>
De&#39;vID</p>

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