tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Oct 17 11:46:59 2011
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' vaghmaH vagh: <taS SuQ>
At 11:15 17/10/2011, lab voragh:
>> >> I would think that *{'op Human} would also work here.
> > To me, that would emphasize the fact that there are a number of humans
> that dare eat these things, rather than the
fact that those who do are few.
It might just be my dialect, but {'op} "some"
implies "few" or at least "not many".
To me "some" merely implies a number greater than
zero and probably less than all. I would read
{qagh Sopqang 'op Human} as confirming the
existence of humans that will eat the stuff but
{qagh Sopqang Human puS} as emphasizing the scarcity of such humans.
If I were told that of a ship with a crew
complement of a hundred, {DujvamDaq Heghpu' 'op
SuvwIpu'} I would expect to see between three and
ninety body bags unloaded, but wouldn't consider
the statement inaccurate unless there had been
fewer than two deaths. If everyone had died I
would consider it more imprecise than inaccurate.
Some for me is the opposite of none, not an indication of scarcity.
In a formal logic problem does "Some Q are X"
necessarily imply that "There exist Q that are not X"?
So {Sung puS} and {Sung law'} are both {'op Sung}.
Here's that S7 example again: 'ej DujvamDaq 'op
SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI'
law' po' puS It [IKC Pagh] has... some of the
finest warriors in the Klingon fleet. S7
{DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh} "some of the
warriors aboard this ship". Not all of them,
not most of them, but some of them (whatever
their number). I think of {'op} as being the
opposite of {HochHom} "most, greater part",
which also appears in only one example: ?
qItI'nga' Duj. tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH wej
HochHom lo'lu'taH [The] K'Tinga-class remained
in use for most of the 23rd century. S15 --
Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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