tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Feb 01 07:11:08 2010
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RE: choH vs. choHmoH
André:
>>2) I was going through my dictionary to find more {moH}-verbs that derive
>>from transitive ones and I've come across {muv} (join) and {muvmoH}
>>(recruit). I think, we don't have any canon examples, or do we? Voragh?
>>I always assumed, {muv} would be transitive, but now I see, this might
>>not be the case, cause:
>>
>>If {muv} would be transitive "to join sth.", then {muvmoH} would mean "to
>>cause to be joined" and its direct object would have to be a group or
>>society like Starfleet, Facebook or maybe a party. Then the translation
>>that Okrand gave us, "recruit" would be quite misleading.
>>If {muv} is intransitive "to join", then {muvmoH} simply means "to cause
>>to join". The group or society being joined would have to be expressed
>>with {-Daq}... or maybe {-vaD}.
SuStel:
>No, if {muv} means "join something," then my {-moH} theory would work
>exactly the same as with {ghoj} "learn something."
>
> Hol Daghoj
> you learn the language
>
> Hol DaghojmoH
> you teach the language
> (you cause a change of condition in which someone unstated learns
> the language)
>
> puqvaD Hol DaghojmoH
> you teach the child the language
> (you cause a change of condition, for the benefit of the child, in
> which someone whose identity contexts tells you is the child learns
> the language)
>
> mangghom Damuv
> you join the army
>
> mangghom DamuvmoH
> you recruit (someone) into the army
> (you cause a change of condition in which someone unstated joins the
> army)
>
> ta'vaD mangghom DamuvmoH
> you recruit (someone) into the army for the Emperor
> (you cause a change of condition, for the benefit of the emperor, in
> which someone unstated joins the army)
{muv} "join" (v.)
batlh maHeghbej 'ej yo' qIjDaq vavpu'ma' DImuv
Then we die with honor and join our fathers in the Black Fleet... (Anthem)
jolbogh ghom wa'DIch DamuvlaHmeH De' DaneHchugh, Se'vam yIjIHtaH
Stay tuned for information on how you can be among the first to
beam aboard! (STX)
{muvmoH} "recruit" (v.)
Never used in a sentence.
{muvtay} "initiation [TKDA], induction ceremony, initiation rite (KGT) (n.)
Never used in a sentence, but mentioned in KGT (p.182).
{muvwI'} "suture" (n.)
- {tuj muvwI'} "thermo-suture" (medical device?)
Never used in a sentence
BTW note that the noun "recruit" is {ghuv}.
--
Voragh
Canon Master of the Klingons