tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Jul 25 20:17:34 2008

Back to archive top level

To this year's listing



[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next]

Re: idea for writing system

Lawrence John Rogers ([email protected])



What you-all mean by "phonemic", right, isn't how scientists call it.  
Scientists would say something like "each phoneme corresponding to a single 
sign".  For alphabets or syllabaries, the rule that everyone ends up 
following is this: whenever your language standardized that syllabary or 
alphabet, that's when the spelling got fixed in its place.  Even 
non-alpha-syllabic writing systems work this way.  People like the old 
spelling because it makes reading old stuff easier and stuff like that. 

So here's the explaination: 

French is from Latin, which was first written about 700 BC.  So they retain 
not only super-old spellings from Latin but mostly Old French stuff that 
really doesn't relate much to Modern French.  But that's how writing systems 
work. 

English got its stuff together with Caxton and the English printing press 
and the standardization of spelling therefore.  That's like 1400.  So we use 
Middle English spellings with a few variations.  That's why we have spelling 
bees. 

Korean uses (mostly and increasingly) the alphabet invented by King Sejong 
about 1440.  However, it wasn't popularly used until 1945.  (And know that 
EVERYONE claims their writing systems is this "phonemic", even the Spanish.) 
So I suspect that you're right, their ortho-graphy (correct or standard 
writing) dates back to 1945 and so reflects the modern language pretty good, 
but probably not exactly and for all dialects. 

Certain African (and I know Africa always gets a bad rap by Westerners) 
languages have been written down even more recently and correspond even 
better than Korean to their Modern Language. 

But give them all 1000, 2000 years.  The way things go, you may be 
surprised, spelling for English will be far, far more goofy in 1000 years, 
(if a written English is used at all by non-specialists). 

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ws_timeline.html 

Benjamin Barrett writes: 

> Korean is phonemic. A few languages such as French and English deviate  
> quite radically from their intended phonetic writing systems. BB 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Jonathan Webley wrote: 
> 
>>> Lawrence John Rogers writes:
>>> Well, all writing systems are phonetic.
>>
>> Except for ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics, Chinese, and some others  
>> (such as
>> numerals - 10, 11, 12 are definitely not phonetic). 
>>
>> Jon 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>  
> 
>  
> 
 


Canidate for Linguistics B.A. at
Michigan State University 

404 E. Owen Hall
East Lansing, MI 48825
Cell:1-906-370-3624 








Back to archive top level