tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Feb 06 09:16:38 2008
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Re: Excelsior: Forged In Fire
At 05:54 PM Tuesday 2/5/2008, naHQun wrote:
>This is a new novel (released Dec '07) by Michael A. Martin & Andy
>Mangels (never heard of either of them).
>It tells the back story of the Albino.
>
>Let's start with the Acknologments:
>
> I.K.S. Gorkon author Keith R.A. DeCandido, who contributed his
> unparalleled expertise in Klingon culture, language, technology,
> metaphysics, and calander calculations; ... Dr. Marc Okrand, whose
> volumes on the Klingon language were constant companions; Dayton
> Ward, whose 2002 novel "In the Name of Honor" provided valuable
> literary continuity references regarding Klingon dermatology, and
> who (with coauthor Kevin Dilmore) enriched the Klingon vocabulary
> in 2006's "Star Trek Vanguard: Summon the Thunder"; ...
Anybody know anything about these two novels. Especially the enriched
Klingon vocabulary part? <hint, hint!>
>In my opinion, those acknologments don't claim any actual contact with
>Okrand. BUT they do seem to claim contact with DeCandido who HAS
>contacted both Okrand and the KLI. So I GUESS it's possible that he
>had a few words lying around that he never used that Okrand aproved.
>It's also possible that any three of the authors just made them up.
>
>If nothing else, it will be fun to go over them, and we'll add them to
>the Extended Corpus Project.
Indeed. Is any of the ECP material online?
>Unlike DeCandido, these guys did NOT provide an easy refernce glossary
>at the back. Instead they akwardly work definitions of the Klinogon
>terms into thier novel. Or at least it's akward to someone who knows
>the tlhIngan Hol word in the first place.
In that respect DeCandido (and John Ford's "The Final Reflection") are
unusual in providing a handy glossary. I wish more authors did this - and
not just in sci-fi novels.
>We also see the term QuchHa' again. (I first saw it in the Klingon
>Language Variant issue of Klingons: Blood Will Tell Vol. 1 [the comic
>book]). It was also used in the English edition sold a month later.
>According to the comic, only some of the Klingons lost their ridges.
>The smoothheaded ones were called QuchHa', the unhappy ones.
>
>Personally, I find this quite fitting. Since as a noun, Quch means
>forhead. And even though it's a linguistic stretch, if -Ha' worked as
>a noun suffix, QuchHa' would describe TOS Klingons quite well.
Sort of like "the un-cola" (i.e. Seven-Up) in English. I've seen
*{Quchqoq} "so-called forehead" used for this, but I like *{QuchHa'}
better: "de-foreheaded" as it were. It violates the rules, but it does so
for a reason. Okrand acknowledges these "nonce" words:
KGT 176: Sometimes words or phrases are coined for a specific occasion,
intentionally violating grammatical rules in order to have an impact.
Usually these are never heard again, though some gain currency and might as
well be classified as slang. Klingon grammarians call such forms {mu'mey
ru'} ("temporary words"). Sometimes, {mu'mey ru'} fill a void--that is,
give voice to an idea for which there is no standard (or even slang)
expression; sometimes, like slang, they are just more emphatic ways of
expressing an idea. A common way to create these constructions is to bend
the grammatical rules somewhat, violating the norm in a way that is so
obvious that there is no question that it is being done intentionally. To
do this is expressed in Klingon as {pabHa'} ("misfollow [the rules], follow
[the rules] wrongly").
>the Year of Kahless 799, early in the month of Lo'Bral
>the Year of Kahless 844, early in the month of Merruthj
>The Year of Kahless 895, early in the month of Xan'lahr
>the Year of Kahless 921, early in the month of Soo'jen
>
>(apparently action only happens during the begining of Klingon months)
And never in the same month! <g>
For lack of other, more official, names we can add these to what we know
about Klingon months:
1. (QI'lop}, the holiday honoring the Klingon military, occurs in the tenth
Klingon month. (PK)
2. Alexander was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. (TNG "New Ground")
3. Kohlar asked the pregnant B'Elanna, "Did you conceive during the holy
month of Nay'Poq?" (VOY "Prophecy")
>we are then told that Kang and Mara's son is named DaqS
I believe in DS9 "Blood Oath" we heard that Kang's son was named after
Kurzon Dax. Personally, I would have thought "Kurzon" would have sounded
more Klingon. (No point in making the boy's life mor difficult than
necessary.) Maybe Kang always called him Dax.
>kilaan - a unit of time, oddly not defined given the writing style. It
>appears to mean "hour". I'm rather confused why they invented a term.
>Or am I simply unaware of an existing Klingonease term?
AFAIK {rep} "hour" is the only one. I did a quick Google search and found
that the authors did not invent this.
kilaan - [n] A unit of time. ("Klingons!" [TOSF (Original Series Fan Fiction)])
["The Klingonaase guide" by McReynolds
(http://www.khemorex-klinzhai.de/Hol/klingonaase.html)]
There's a very nice page in the Memory Beta website devoted to "Forged in
Fire" at
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Forged_in_Fire where *kilaan* "a unit of
time" is listed along with entries on other "Klingon" words and the
characters. Take a look at this site to save yourself some typing.
> "QI'yaH!" cried the albino. The translator evidently couldn't
>parse what was no doubt a pungent curse,...
>
> "Ghuy'," said one of the pirates, uttering what had to be yet
>another toxic curse.
Thanks for providing context for these.
>I.K.S. 'OghwI' - Koloth's ship in "More Tribbles, More Troubles" (TAS)
>Later translated as "Devisor"
There's an entire page devoted to the Devisor at Memory Beta:
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/IKS_%27Oghwl%27
>I.K.S. Gr'oth - Koloth's ship in "The Trouble with Tribbles" (TOS)
[Dax called Koloth's ship the IKV Groth in DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations"
There's also a page on the Gr'oth:
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/IKS_Gr%27oth
>I.K.S. Klolode cha' - at this point, I'm assuming commanded by Kor or Kang
It's Kang's ship. From the Memory Beta page
(http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/IKS_Klolode_II):
The IKS Klolode II was a
<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/Klingon>Klingon
<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/Starship>starship in service in the
<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/23rd_century>23rd century.
In <http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/2270>2270, the Klolode II was
commanded by <http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/Captain>Captain
<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/Kang>Kang.
(<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/TOS>TOS
<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/Novel>novel:
<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/Pawns_and_Symbols>Pawns
<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/Pawns_and_Symbols>and Symbols).
The Klolode II was likely named as the successor to the
Klolode which was the name of Kang's command in
"<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//wiki/Day_of_the_Dove>Day of the Dove" as
specified by various licensed and
<http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki//index.php?title=Fan_fiction&action=edit>fan
fiction sources alike.
>glo'meH - glommer
*{ghIlo'meH} or *{ghIlameH} might be a better transcription, modelled on
{ghIlab ghew} "glob fly" (KGT).
Apparently a glommer is a tribble-eating predator from TAS (The Animated
Series). According to Memory Alpha (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Koloth):
"In <http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/2269>2269, Koloth pursued a
<http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/Federation_scoutship>Federation
scoutship piloted by
<http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/Cyrano_Jones>Cyrano Jones, a
<http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/Federation>Federation citizen who
was responsible for causing ecological sabotage to a Klingon
<http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/Planet>planet and stealing a
Klingon <http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/Glommer>glommer. Koloth
encountered and attacked the
<http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701%29>USS
<http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701%29>Enterprise,
under Kirk's command, in order to retrieve Jones and the glommer.
(<http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Animated_Series>TAS:
"<http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki//en/wiki/More_Tribbles%2C_More_Troubles>More
Tribbles, More Troubles")"
>I'm just about to start chapter 10, I'll make another post when I have
>more words.
Again, many thanks for taking the time to share this info with us!
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons