tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jul 29 03:41:10 2006
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Re: pronouns
- From: "QeS 'utlh" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: pronouns
- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:40:35 +1000
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ghItlhpu' Shane MiQogh, ja':
>Daj 'e'...
Just say {Daj}. {'e'} can't be a subject, and I doubt that it can sensibly
take noun suffixes either.
>nI' poH, tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhbe'pu'.
A suggestion: the verb phrase {qaStaHvIS} "while it happens" is
extraordinarily useful in Klingon. {qaStaHvIS nI' poH tlhIngan Hol
vIjatlhbe'pu'} "I have not spoken Klingon for a long time". {qaStaHvIS
Hoghvam jIroptaH} "I have been sick this week". {qaStaHvIS noHvetlh vISuv}
"I fought them during that war".
>'e'mo', *horribly* tlhIngan Hol vIjatlh...
You might try {tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhHa'} "I mis-speak Klingon". Compare the
pair {yaj} "understand" and {yajHa'} "misunderstand".
>I translate lack as a seperate word with a related meaning.
That's reasonable. Nevertheless, grammatically, {Hutlh} behaves exactly like
{ghaj}, and I think that's all that Voragh was trying to point out by using
{Hutlh}.
>And i really dont' consider -be' and -Qo' or any other verb suffixes as
>conjugation.
You've missed Voragh's point: he was primarily showing you the use of verb
*prefixes*, not verb suffixes. By this standard, all true verbs in Klingon
*must* conjugate according to subject and object (most of the time, anyway;
you can decide for yourself whether you think {-meH}-clauses modifying nouns
necessarily take verb prefixes). {ghaj} is no exception. Anyway,
Merriam-Webster defines "conjugation" as "a schematic arrangement of the
inflectional forms of a verb" (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/conjugation,
definition 1a), and if the verb suffixes aren't inflectional forms of the
Klingon verb, I'd like to know what they are.
QeS 'utlh
tlhIngan Hol yejHaD pabpo' / Grammarian of the Klingon Language Institute
not nItoj Hemey ngo' juppu' ngo' je
(Old roads and old friends will never deceive you)
- Ubykh Hol vIttlhegh
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