tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Aug 11 08:00:37 2005
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Re: DaHjaj jIlop
QeS la':
>jIHvaD Quchbej jajvam. qoSwIj cha'maH cha'DIch 'oH DaHjaj'e'...
>
>SKI: Commander QeS turns 22 today.
Musing on translating "turning 22"... Okrand wrote on
msn.onstage.startrek.expert.Okrand (12/12/96):
The phrase {loSmaH ben jIH} ... if anything, would mean
"40-year-old me" or the like. It would parallel {cha'
vatlh ben HIq} "Two Century Old Wine" ... "I am 40 years
old" would be expressed as: {loSmaH ben jIboghpu'}. This
is "I was born 40 years ago". As is normal in Klingon
sentences, the time element (in this case, {loSmaH ben}
"40 years ago") comes first.
I wonder if you can use {DaHjaj} or {jajvam} with {-pu'} even though the
completed act "being born" occurred 22 years ago:
? DaHjaj cha'maH cha' ben boghpu' QeS la'
Cdr. QeS was born 22 years ago today.
? jajvam cha'maH cha' ben boghpu' QeS la'
On this day Cdr. QeS was born 22 years ago.
I also wonder if you can use the Type 3 suffix {-choH} "change in
state/direction" with {bogh} "be born". Can the "change in state" refer to
something happening today (the anniversary), not 22 years ago (i.e. the birth)?
? DaHjaj cha'maH cha' ben boghchoHpu' QeS la'
? jajvam cha'maH cha' ben boghchoHpu' QeS la'
Another option might be to use {moj} "become" (with the same caveat about
{DaHjaj} and {jajvam}):
? DaHjaj cha'maH cha' ben loD moj(choH) QeS la'.
"Today Cdr. QeS becomes (turns into) a 22-year-old man."
? jajvam cha'maH cha' ben loD moj(choH) QeS la'.
"On this day Cdr. QeS becomes (turns into) a 22-year-old man."
I can't see anything obviously wrong with it but I'm not sure it
works. For those interested, here's {moj} in canon:
yaS vImojpu'
I became an officer. TKD
yaS DImojpu'
We became officers. TKD
DIHIvbe'ch[ugh] qo'chajDaq toy'wI''a' DImoj
Attack or be slaves in their world. ST6
wa' jaj 'etlh 'uchchoHlaH tlhIngan puqloD; jajvetlh loD nen moj
The son of a Klingon is a man the day he can first hold a blade. TKW
yejquv DevwI' moj ghawran 'e' wuqta' cho' 'oDwI' Dapu'bogh janluq pIqarD
HoD
Gowron...named leader of the High Council by Captain Jean-Luc Picard, who
was acting as Arbiter of Succession. S25
{bogh} and {moj} are even used together in:
bogh tlhInganpu', SuvwI'pu' moj, Hegh
Klingons are born, live as warriors, then die. TKW
Although very Klingon, that's not a very happy thought for your
birthday. Here's a better one:
SuvmeH 'ej charghmeH bogh tlhInganpu'
Klingons are born to fight and to conquer. TKW
qoSlIj DatIvjaj!
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons