tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Mar 29 08:32:53 2004
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Re: Using object prefixes with "intransitive" verbs
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- Subject: Re: Using object prefixes with "intransitive" verbs
- Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:32:07 -0500
From: "...Paul" <[email protected]>
>
>Perhaps another example (sure to get me into trouble) might be /lIt/ or
>"get on (to)" Before I get introuble and say this could be likened to
>"board" (for which we already have /tIj/!), I'll just say that this is an
>example where in English, we would use a verb ("get") and an preposition
>("on"), in Klingon, is a single transitive verb:
>
>"I got on the roof"
>beb vIlItta'
>
> Of course, this is another crappy example, because there's going to be
>discussion about whether or not the locative /-Daq/ is used (although I
>think we have a canon pattern emerging where /-Daq/ is not necessary if
>the verb indicates motion...)
"David Trimboli" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Ooh, if you hadn't suggested that thing about motion, you'd have gotten it
>perfect. It's not that /-Daq/ is not necessary if the verb implies >motion. It's that there are a number of specific verbs whose objects are
>automatically locative concepts. The object of /jaH/, for example, is
>always the destination, which is a locative concept. This isn't some
>strange rule about /-Daq/; it's just a mention that the object of certain
>verbs are already destinations, so there's no need to include /-Daq/
>(though you can add it if you don't mind being redundant). In other
>words, Klingon locative is not always grammatically indicated, even if it
>is semantically present.
>
>You're right about /lIt/, though:
>
>jol SeHlaw lItHa'
>Get off that transporter control panel! (Clipped Klingon from Power]
>Klingon)
>
>The object of /lIt/ is the thing you get on.
I recall something about the way such verbs work when both a direct (locative) object and an indirect (again, locative) object. Example:
Hovmey vIleng.
"I travel to the stars."
He'Daq Hovmey vIleng.
"I travel to the stars along the path."
Am I remembering correctly?
-quljIb