tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Jul 18 05:27:02 2004
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Re: canon pIqaD
- From: "QeS lagh" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: canon pIqaD
- Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:25:54 +1000
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ghItlhpu' SuStel:
>An outside observer learning English by listening only could never, ever
>work out how to write it, even given a description of its alphabet (and the
>fact that it IS an alphabet).
ret ghItlh Daj vIlaDpu'. jatlh: {DIvI' Hol ghojlu'taHvIS, tlhoS mu'
chenmoHbogh pIqaDqoqvetlh Deghmey neH ghojlaHbe' vay'. mu' naQ
lughojnISlu'.} Qatlhqu' ghItlhmeH Deghmey lo'bogh DIvI' Hol, boqchuqlaHmo'
Deghmeyvetlh law'. DIvI' Hol loSmaH QIch wabmey 'oSmeH, wa'SaD loSvatlh
loSmaH boqmeyvetlh lutu'lu'. ghItlhlu'taHvIS, Hol'e' *Ireland* Hol ngo' neH
Qatlh law' DIvI' Hol Qatlh puS 'e' vIQoy.
Recently I read an interesting study that claimed that English's system is
almost logographic in practice, since spelling is so complex. It claimed
that one can't accurately learn the symbols that make up a word; you really
have to learn the entire word as a unit. English's spelling system is very
difficult (there are 1,440 ways to write the 40-some phonemes of English); I
have heard it said that only pre-reform Irish Gaelic is more difficult to
spell.
>We have less information about the Klingon pIqaD than that, so I see no way
>to ascertain any further truths about the system.
ghaytan QIch 'oS 'ej ghaytanHa' mu'mey naQ 'oSmeH Deghmey lo'. ghaytan wej
lI'qu' latlh ngermey.
Just that it's probably phonetic. I agree, anything more is speculation.
>One might try to work out an arbitrary system defined by what Okuda has
>done on the TV shows and movies, but this would be very difficult, at best:
>the only time we get Klingon writing actually translated for us is in an
>episode of Deep Space Nine where Quark accidentally reveals a banner of
>three words that Worf translates as "Welcome Klingons." Now exactly which
>Klingons words are those?
And once we got an Okuda-based system "worked out", there's the (slim, but
possible) likelihood that Okuda might end up doing something else with the
symbols later that doesn't match {tlhIngan Hol}.
Savan.
QeS lagh
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