ja' DloraH: >Qap is intransitive; it doesn't take an object. qarbe'. KGT page 211: Destroying an empire to win a war is no victory, and ending a battle to save an empire is no defeat. noH QapmeH wo' Qaw'lu'chugh yay chavbe'lu' 'ej wo' choqmeH may' DoHlu'chugh lujbe'lu'. -- ghunchu'wI'