tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Feb 20 19:38:35 2002
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RE: pujwI' Hol (was Re: jaS jIchegh)
> > > > > pujwI' Hol? DIvI' Hol jatlhchugh tlhIngan, jen Dotlhchaj net qel.
> > mu'tlheghvamvaD jIjang neH.
>
> You know I didn't make this up don't you? It's in TKD. It says Klingons
> will use English as a symbol of rank or status. I was under the
> impression
> that Klingons thought highly of the language. So I asked Barker to
> elaborate on his opinion. This isn't a direct quote but he basically said
> he prefers the passion and forcefulness of Klingon.
It's on page 10 of TKD. I wasn't disputing the fact which you listed.
Because this IS quoted in TKD I felt it necessary to explain (to whomever)
that charghwI''s lack of english was not because of social rank but because
of a mindsifter.
> > Sovchu'be'wI'vaD ghu' vIQIj neH.
>
> But it's a different situation. I was asking someone about their
> opinion on
> a language. I can understand that you wanted to explain charghwI's
> situation but I just thought it odd that you chose to do it in a
> post where
> it wasn't the topic of conversation. I felt like this happened...
>
> Me: Weakling language? Klingons consider speaking English a
> status symbol.
>
> Barker: I prefer the passion of Klingon. It conveys the
> forcefulness of a
> warrior's words.
>
> You: charghwI's status is obviously high.
Ah... That message from Barker cames after the point that I was refering to.
Where I jumped in the topic was still about charghwI''s ability. In your
message that I reply to you simply write "The language of weaklings? If a
klingon speaks english, one considers that their status is high." No
mention of inquiry to Bart's opinion; just a comment about social rank.
> My post didn't include a quote from charghwI'. I went to the archives to
> check. It appeared to me that you cut and pasted it in.
Negative.
(14 14:31 charghwI')
DIvI' Hol vIjatlhlaw'pu' 'ach laHvetlh vIchIlpu'. qay'be'. naDev
maja'chuqlaH
tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI'pu' jIH je.
****
(14 16:04 Bart)
ghItlh charghwI' 'utlh:
>tuQDoq lo'ta' mochpu'wI'. naDev jIHlaw'pu' 'ach pagh vIqaw.
batlh wo'vaD bItoy'taH 'e' DaqawnIS neH.
>DIvI' Hol vIjatlhlaw'pu' 'ach laHvetlh vIchIlpu'. qay'be'. naDev
maja'chuqlaH
>tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI'pu' jIH je.
maj. pujwI' Holvetlh Dalo'nISbe'bej.
****
Bart quoted charghwI' in his reply.
(17 01:22 QInteS)
Bartholomew Barker wrote:
> >DIvI' Hol vIjatlhlaw'pu' 'ach laHvetlh vIchIlpu'.
>
> maj. pujwI' Holvetlh Dalo'nISbe'bej.
pujwI' Hol? DIvI' Hol jatlhchugh tlhIngan, jen Dotlhchaj net qel.
QInteS
****
Here you quoted Bart's quote of charghwI'
(19 19:47 DloraH)
> > >DIvI' Hol vIjatlhlaw'pu' 'ach laHvetlh vIchIlpu'.
> >
> > maj. pujwI' Holvetlh Dalo'nISbe'bej.
>
> pujwI' Hol? DIvI' Hol jatlhchugh tlhIngan, jen Dotlhchaj net qel.
>
> QInteS
jenba' charghwI' patlh. DIvI' Hol jatlhta' charghwI'; 'ach qen tuQDoq
lo'lu'.
DloraH
****
charghwI' says he no longer speaks english.
Bart says he (charghwI') doesn't need to use that weaklings' language.
You say if a klingon speaks english, his status is higher.
I explain that charghwI''s lack of english is not because of social rank.
(17 17:23 Bart)
ghItlh QInteS:
>Bartholomew Barker wrote:
>
> > >DIvI' Hol vIjatlhlaw'pu' 'ach laHvetlh vIchIlpu'.
> >
> > maj. pujwI' Holvetlh Dalo'nISbe'bej.
>
>pujwI' Hol? DIvI' Hol jatlhchugh tlhIngan, jen Dotlhchaj net qel.
tlhIngan Hol jatlhchugh qaryoq, SuvwI' moj'a'? ghobe' jay!
DIvI' Hol lo'taHvIS, puj jatlhwI'. tlhIngan Hol lo'taHvIS, HoSghaj
jatlhwI'. nong tlhIngan Hol. jaq. pe'vIl QumlaH SuvwI'na' 'ej vang.
pItlh!
****
Bart's reply, even tho it came in before mine is in parallel with my reply,
not in series.
(There's no ill feelings here. If we ever meet, I won't remember this and
think "Oh, that's QInteS...")
DloraH