tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Aug 30 21:44:54 2002
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Re: two different types of object
Voragh:
> > Another question is: What is the order of pronouns in Klingon? Different
> > languages don't always follow the same order. Is it properly {qorDu'wIj
> > jIH je} "my family and I/me" (i.e. 3rd person, 2nd person, 1st person - as
> > in English) or {jIH qorDu'wIj je} "I/me and my family" (i.e. 1st person,
> > 2nd person, 3rd person), or something else entirely?
SuStel:
>I seem to remember that there was exactly one example of a pronoun conjoined
>with another word; naturally I can't think of what that example is.
>However, I do remember that the example gave /jIH/ first.
I think I found it, in a post from Okrand on st.klingon (9/97):
If Kahlor is speaking, he could say, "I am of the House of Molor"
{matay' jIH molor tuq je}. Or if one were speaking to Kahlor,
one could say, "You are of the House of Molor" {Sutay' SoH molor
tuq je}. Literally, these are "The House of Molor and I are
together" [and] "The House of Molor and you are together." The
independent pronouns ({jIH} "I" and {SoH} "you" in the examples
above) are always used in this construction.
{jIH molor tuq je} "I and the House of Molor" = 1st person pronoun + 3rd
person noun
{SoH molor tuq je} "you and the House of Molor" = 2st person pronoun + 3rd
person noun
I also found this from SkyBox S26:
woQ luSuqmeH jIjpu' chaH romuluSngan'e' je.
[the sisters are] going as far as to work with Romulan factions
in order to gain power. S26
{chaH romuluSngan je} "they and the Romulan(s)" = 3rd person pronoun + 3rd
person noun
I couldn't find any examples using pronouns with {ghap} "either/or" and
{joq} "and/or".
So based on these two (!) examples, the order might be:
1) 1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person
or
2) pronouns precede nouns
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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons