tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Apr 17 08:42:14 2002
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Re: to' nech, 051-061
From: "Sean M. Burke" <[email protected]>
> Corrections welcome, diatribes not.
I will comment on your Klingon and Gloss lines; the original lines are too
far divorced from what you've written to have any bearing. I didn't even
read 'em.
> K: ra'mey motlh tIbuSHa'rup.
> Gloss: Be prepared to ignore the usual orders
> [I'm curious what people think of 0-nominalizing ra' like this, since I
> don't see an attested noun for "order"; but I infer that it exists from
> {ra'ghomquv}, since a verb being part of a noun compound like this is
> something I don't think I've ever seen Klingon do; whereas it seems normal
> if you infer that {ra'} is a noun.]
You can't make this inference. We often find nouns that are formed from
non-noun components. The most used example is probably /QongDaq/ "bed."
There is no known noun /Qong/, but somehow the word /QongDaq/ has become
lexicalized.
If you want to nominalize a verb, there are two tools to do this: /-wI'/ and
/-ghach/. /-wI'/ isn't really appropriate here. To use /-ghach/ correctly,
you have to nominalize the verb with a verb suffix. You don't really have
any relevant suffixes to use here.
It would be better if you didn't try nominalizing. Try this on for size:
motlh ra'lu' 'e' yIbuSHa'rup.
> K: 'oH neHlu''a'?
> Gloss: Does anyone want it?
> [correct syntax?]
HIja'. Note that this focuses on the wanting and the "it," whereas the
English might be focusing on the "anyone" too.
> K: mob Hoch chav.
> Gloss: Every achievement is on its own.
maj.
> K: yI'uchchu'!
> Gloss: Grab it!
How about:
nom yIwoH!
> K: beqvaD jo' yIlan.
> Gloss: Replace a crewman with a machine.
> [I'm unsure of the choice of verb, and of the argument structure.]
I like the Klingon sentence here; it has a slightly different feel, but it
seems to come out to the same thing as the gloss ultimately.
Without context, it's a little vague. It's unclear whether the beneficiary
(beq) actually benefits from the action, or is affected by it, or what.
> K: puS Qo'! Hoch!
> Gloss: Not some! ALL!
> [My first attempt at clipped Klingon -- I'm not sure what one can do with
> Qo' in clipped Klingon, or where it would go.]
I wouldn't do it like this. I don't think it works at all. Try this:
'op? Qo'! Hoch!
> K: poSDaq tIyov, nIHDaq tIyov, botlhDaq tIyov
> Gloss: Charge on the left; Charge on the right; Charge in the middle.
maj.
> K: yItammoHpu' 'ej yIruchqa'!
> Gloss: Silence it, and proceed!
I think the /-pu'/ is unnecessary here. The /-qa'/ is not reqiured, but
doesn't seem to hurt.
I'd also suggest using /ghIq/, as this seems to be more of a sequence than
just two sentences "and"ed together.
yItammoH; ghIq yIruchqa'!
Silence it, then proceed!
> K: bong QaghqoqlIj lo'laH.
> Gloss: Your "mistake" is accidentally useable.
You should use the indefinite subject here, but otherwise this is a good
sentence.
> K: pay' yIQaw' 'ej yIchargh!
> Gloss: Destroy suddenly, then conquer!
Again, use /ghIq/, especially here.
pay' yIQaw'; ghIq yIchargh!
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