tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Apr 15 12:10:40 2002
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Re: ba'
> > > Klingon, if /ba'/ means occupying the chair, what's the difference
> > > between /ba'/ and /ba'taH/?
> >
> > > None that I can see.
> >
> > /-taH/ emphasizes the continuation, telling the reader it is not
> /-lI'/.
>
> Umm, no, the purpose of /-taH/ is not to say it's not /-lI'/.
I know I'm not good at explaining my thoughts, and its partially due to the
fact that I'm sometimes too brief. But I felt like screeming some four letter
words.
I am not saying that -taH says its not -lI'.
> Personally, I don't think /ba'/ necessarily means continuous occupation of a
> chair, couch, etc. I think it means occupation of a chair, etc., for an
> unspecified amount of time, maybe an instant, maybe a day, whatever.
You just gave the same %^$^ definition I gave a couple messages back, except I
didn't bother to specify that the time is unspecified. Of course this verb
doesn't include the time; what verb does?
> /ba'taH/ means said occupation for a period that is expressly continuous --
> it's definitely not instantaneous, and the continuous nature of the
> sitting is important.
Well, &^%*, you just answered your own question!
> /ba'choH/ means the beginning of said occupation. The sitting will be
> longer than instantanous, but there's no talk about it being
> "continuous"
> (it's implied, but not very strongly).
>
> /ba'pu'/ means the act of sitting is completed. Whether that means
> the
> instantaneous act of sitting, or a continuous act, is unspecified.
>
> I'm not interested in talking about /-ta'/ and /-lI'/, because the
> "intentional" part of the definitions have no bearing on this
> discussion;
> they are in all other ways identical to /-pu'/ and /-taH/.
We're arguing on the same side of the issue. We're both saying the same thing.
DloraH