tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Oct 02 11:30:51 2001
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Re: wa' Qebna'
> > wa' Qebna'mo' Hoch vIche'jaj
DloraH:
> If you want: "May I rule everyone because of one true ring.", then you
> are correct.
Oops, I should've supplied the English...
"One Ring to rule them all"
(But I figured it'd read better with the 1st person than as a noun phrase.)
> > wa' Qebna'mo' vItu'jaj
> If you want: "May I discover it because of one true ring.", then you are
> correct.
"One Ring to find them" (again, 1st p. recast)
> > wa' Qebna'mo' Hoch vIqemjaj
> If you want: "May I bring everything because of one true ring.", then you
> are correct.
"One Ring to bring them all" (1st p. recast)
> > 'ej mIghghachDaq vIbaghta'jaj
> "and may I have tied it in the state of being evil.", Hmm.
"And in the darkness bind them" (1st p. recast, get rid of `dark' metaphor)
> You can't put a type 7 suffix (-ta') with -jaj.
Ah, so I can't. Well, scratch it, I was putting it in just for the syllable
count, anyway... (Or substitute -qu'.)
> "in evil".
...
> "Kahless fought against evil". Redo this as "Kahless fought against all
> which is evil" - mIghbogh Hoch Suv qeylIS, or - mIghwI' Suv qeylIS.
> Ideas you can play with anyways.
'ej mIghbogh Hoch chaH je vIbaghjaj
'ej vImIghmoHjaj
Actually, can I tie them *with* the state of being evil? The usage of `tie'
is metaphorical anyway, and darkness was metaphorical in the English...
'ej mIghghach chaH je vIbaghjaj
It's may be closer to the original, too - they aren't being tied to evil
things, but to evilness itself.
> > *morDor* puHDaq
> "In the land of Mordor..."
"In the land of Mordor..."
> > QotboghDaq QIb
"where the shadows lie"
> You have a verb suffix and a noun suffix on the same word.
That's because I'm trying and failing to make a `where' relative clause...
Somehow I ended up treating -bogh like -wI' or -ghach.
QIb So'bogh DaqDaq
(In the place that conceals shadows)
QIb So' DaqDaq
(In the place of hidden shadows)
Can I use an adjective in the middle of a noun-noun construction like that?
> > ... the original...
> Which is? Show us the original and I will be able to help you more.
Sorry about that, I figured ``everyone'' would know it... Tolkien wrote it.
Jiri
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