tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue May 29 17:07:50 2001
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Re: A little Poetry
- From: "Rohan Fenwick" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: A little Poetry
- Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:07:35
ja' Brian:
> tangqua ghajpu' mughato' pI'
> 'ach DaH 'oHDaj ghajHa'qu' ghaH
You know already about *<<tangqua>> and <<tangqa'>>.
>tangqua and mughato' are vague approximations of cow/bull and monkey/ape;
>the
>creature names are attested in the supplemental vocabulary on www.kli.org.
>"Chunky" is in the sense of "stocky, chubby, somewhat fat," which seems to
>be
>adequately translated as pI' or ror.
maj. I'm not a KLI grammarian, but I believe this is about as close as
you're going to get in this: Klingons don't have cows :) See the replies
regarding <<pI'>> and <<ror>> occurring (or not) in canon.
>Is it correct to put noun suffixes on a pronoun? 'oHDaj - his it? I can
>fill the space in with something else or simply leave it out if need be and
>have an uneven line length.
I had a sentence corrected a while ago by charghwI' in which he told me noun
suffixes in some sentences *are* best put on the pronoun, as in the original
corrected sentence:
tlhIngan mu' ghaHHey <<loDnI'>>
The Klingon word for "brother" is apparently <<loDnI'>>
Here, the pronoun <<ghaH>> does take a suffix, the apparent <<-Hey>>, so it
would seem correct that pronouns can take noun suffixes.
>Have I horribly misestimated the stressed syllables? I've placed stress on
>the verbal suffixes pu' and Ha' on the assumption that aspect/negation are
>particularly important in this case, and thus would be emphasized. I'm also
>unsure about the stress in mughato'; I think the stress normally goes on
>the
>last syllable, but I've munged it into the penult. Does this seem terribly
>awkward?
With your verb suffixes, I think the change in emphasis would be acceptable;
we can emphasise any word in a sentence, including words that don't normally
take stress (cf. <<'ach>> "but"), and I think the same applies for suffixes.
In the second, you're correct; the stress *does* normally fall on the final
syllable of nouns. It sounds a little strange, but as far as I know stress
pattern isn't so rigid as something like suffix order; there are no suffixes
that the syllable <<-to'>> could be confused with.
In the second sentence, I'm not so sure you need <<'oHDaj>>; <<'oH>> would
probably do fine. However, you *are* writing a poem, so this could probably
be left as it is. But remember, here <<'oH>> takes the stress, not <<-Daj>>,
making the stress pattern (daDADAdaDAdaDA). Quite irregular; but remember,
Klingon poetry isn't necessarily the same as ours :)
In all, I think it's a good effort. majQa'!
Qapla',
ro'Han
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