tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Feb 29 12:00:32 2000
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Re: KLIC - My thesis project
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLIC - My thesis project
- Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:59:57 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:50:54 -0000 Jeremy Silver
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 27-Feb-00, David Yeung wrote:
>
> >jIjatlh:
> >>>jIrmo' 'etlhmey vIHchu' janvam.
> >>>= This device moves by spinning its blades.
vIHchu'meH janvam jIr muD'etlhmey.
= This device moves by spinning its blades.
It is not merely that the spinning causes the device to
move. The purpose of the spinning is the craft's motion.
That connotation is the difference, for me, between
{Xmo' Y} vs. {YmeH X}.
> >Jeremy Silver:
> >>jIrlaHbogh telmey vIpong. 'elthmey Hulth.
> >>=I would call them wings which can rotate. It lacks swords.
jIrlaHbogh telmey vIpongbe'. jIrnISbogh telmey vIpong.
jIrbe'chugh pum Duj.
= I don't call them wings which can rotate. I call them
wings that must rotate. If they don't rotate, the ship
falls.
> >bIchupchu'. "oar" 'oSbogh mu' vInej 'ach jIluj.
> >loQ 'etlhmey rurmo' telmey, vaj <'etlhqoq> vIlo'.
> >= I like your suggestion. I looked for a word for "oar"
> >but couldn't find it. I used "blades" because that's
> >what they look like.
>
> *oars*vaD mu' QaQ 'oHlaw' {vo'wI'mey}'e' 'ach *oars* bIHbe' *helicopter*
> "'etlhmey"'e'
> = For oars, "propellers" seem a good word. But helicopter blades are not oars.
*oars*vaD mu' wIHutlh. Dochvam DIDellaH 'ej wa' wanI'vaD
Dochvam mu'qoq wIlajlaH, 'ach Qu'vamvaD DIpna' wIghajbe'.
= We lack a word for *oars*. We can describe these things
and for an event we can accept a fake word, but we do not
have a real noun for this.
> >>>= Do you understand what I just described? If you do, tell me the word(s)
> >>>for it. Even better if it's in Klingon.
> >>
> >>HIja'. jIjaj. *helicopter* DaHech. jIrbogh telmey ghaj puvwI' jan
> >>= Yes. I understand. You mean a Helicopter. A Flying machine that has wings
> >>which rotate.
>
> >maj. *helicopter* vIDelbej. 'ach mu'mey tIqHa'
> >vInej. chaq tu'lu'be'.
> >= Good. A helicopter is exactly what I'm talking
> >about. But I'm looking for a shorter term [in Klingon].
> >Perhaps one doesn't exist.
pong poD Danej.
= You seek a clipped name.
> mu' DaHulthchugh vaj mu' DaDelnIS. reH Del nI' law' mu' nI' puS.
> = If you lack a word, you need to describe the word. The description is always
> longer then the word. (Of course I am having trouble finding a word for
> description!)
qech DaDelmeH mu' DaHutlhchugh mu'mey law' Dalo'nIS. Qapbe'
mu'mey puS.
=If you lack a word to describe an idea, you must use many
words. Few words do not work.
> pIj wa' mu' neH tu'lu'be'
> wen *belch* 'oSbogh mu' vInejpu'. jIQapbe' 'ach pIj *belch* tlhInganpu'.
> jabbI'IDvamDaq {burghwIjvo' SIp chuS vItlhuD} vItu'ta' neH. Qatlh mu'meyvetlh.
> = often there isn't just one word.
> months ago I looked for a word meaning "belch". I was not successful even
> though Klingons belch a lot. On this list all I found was the description
> {burghwIjvo' SIp chuS vItlhuD} (which is a mouthful ;).
pIj wuQ Humanpu' 'ach qechvamvaD wa' wot Hutlh DIvI' Hol.
pIj Qom Humanpu' 'ach qechvamvaD wa' wot Hutlh DIvI' Hol.
pIj 'ep Humanpu' 'ach qechvamvaD wa' wot Hutlh DIvI' Hol.
pIj 'uH Humanpu' 'ach qechvamvaD wa' wot Hutlh DIvI' Hol.
pIj butlh ghaj Humanpu' 'ach qechvamvaD wa' DIp Hutlh DIvI'
Hol. pIj qech <<cha'Hu'>> Del Humanpu' 'ach DelmeH wa' DIp
Hutlh DIvI' Hol. qatlh bIqay'? qechlIj yIDel. yIvingQo'.
= Humans often have a headache, but Fed Standard lacks a
single verb to describe it. Humans often experience an
earthquake, but Fed Standard lacks a single verb to
describe it. Humans often consume soup, but Fed Standard
lacks a single verb to describe this idea. Often humans
have a hangover, but Federation Standard lacks a single
verb to describe this idea. Humans often have dirt under
their fingernails, but Fed Standard lacks a single word to
describe this idea. Often humans describe "the day before
yesterday", but Fed. Standard lacks a single noun to
describe this idea. Why are you being a problem? Describe.
Don't whine.
tlhuH burghwIj.
= I belched.
> nItlhDu'wIj jay'! wa' jabbI'IDDaq bIHtaH cha' Qaghmey'e'. veqlargh, naDevvo'
> yIjaH. 'etlhmey, jIyaj je vIHech
> =Damn my typing fingers, two errors in one post. fek'lhr, off! I meant to
> spell swords and "I understand" correctly.
>
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