tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Oct 14 06:25:43 1998
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RE: Those subtitles.
- From: "Rose, Thornton (Atlanta)" <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: Those subtitles.
- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:25:31 -0400
<rant>
I think the script writers just kinda throw something at the page.
They don't even get the pronunciation close, even if they do lookup
some of the vocabulary. If they read at least the first couple pages
of TKD they would know that there is no way that {batlh} should be
pronounced "BAT-LEH", so that it sounds too much like "batleth". And,
how can they get "SHOO-VWEE" from {SuvwI'}? I used to try to listen
carefully to any Klingon dialogue, but now I am less enthused.
</rant>
As for "PAY-LODGE", my guesses are:
pelaj - (you, pl.) accept
peloj - (you, pl.) be all gone
I tried {pey}, too, but since it means "acid", I don't think it
fits.
~ Thornton
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> Subject: Those subtitles.
>
> This seems to be a different writer than the one who did the last stuff
> posted.
> I've seen a few KLBCs like this. I find them astonishingly hard to read,
> and the lack of Okrandian spellings here deprives me of the clues I
> usually
> get with KLBCs. Here's my best guess. It makes no sense, so can't be
> right,
> but it's a start.
>
> Format is:
> LINE IN SUBTITLES
> Apparent Klingon attempted.
> "Apparent meaning attempted."
> (Comments.)
>
> Obvious lines omitted (Stovokor being a name for the pleasant portion of
> afterlife, and Jadzia Dax the name of a character).
>
> I make no comment on the variance between this Klingon and the Okrandian
> rules. The general thrust is: Beginners, don't do this at home. I would
> not
> go to this much work to figure out what a KLBC was supposed to say. I'd
> just throw it back at the beginner with some reading to do and some easy
> exercises to try.
>
> JADZIA DAX VOND SHOO-VWEE-DUN
> Jadzia Dax vanvaD SuvwI' Dun
> "Jadzia Dax a tribute for a great warrior."
> (The only way I can get an /nD/ out of Klingon is a transcription error in
> copying two similar syllables.)
>
> MAHH-KEKH HUH-KOO-VAHM
> maH qeq Hu' Qu'vam
> "We prepare days ago this duty."
> or
> maH qeq Hoch qo'vam
> "We prepare all this world."
> (Also a possibility of HoH-Qu' intended as "death duty" - funeral rites,
> for
> someone who didn't look hard enough to find /nol/ and /tay/.)
>
> JEH YIN-MOJ MAH-MUKH.
> je yInmaj maH muH
> "And our lives we sacrifice."
> (Maybe 'execute' was close enough to 'sacrifice' for the writer??)
>
> STO-VO-KOR PAH-DAHKH-TIN BAHT-LEH
> Sto-Vo-Kor pa'Daq tIn batlh
> "There is great honour in Sto-Vo-Kor."
>
> EL-EEGH-CHA YAY-MOJ.
> 'el'egh cha' yaymaj
> "Enter onself show our victory."
> (No clue!)
>
> Martok: "We shed our blood to prove we are not frightened of death."
>
> Worf slits his palm and presses it against a box (?) with two candles in
> front of it. [Jadzia's coffin? Her ashes?]
>
> YUWEE-MODGE.
> 'Iwmaj
> "Our blood."
>
> BAT-LEH-MODGE.
> batlhmaj
> "Our honour."
>
> YAY-DODGE.
> yayDaj
> "Her victory."
>
> (End of mission) Worf closes his eyes and recites:
>
> LOHM-ICT-LIHJ...
> lom 'IH/'IQ lIj
> "Your lovely/sad corpse."
> (Some context might help here.)
>
> POSH-MACCH-LODGE
> poS mach
> (I don't think it's poSmoH loj[mIt]. I suspect it's the same LODGE that
> turns up in PAY-LODGE below.)
>
> PAY-LODGE PAY-DOCK-LIH DUN.
> ? pa'DaqlI' Dun
>
> SHOO-VWEE-VAHM BAHT-LEH PAY-LODGE.
> SuvwI'vam batlh pa loj
> "This warrior's honour."
>
> PAY-LODGE POH-HOKH-VAHD
> payloj poH-HoHvaD
> "? for death time."
>
> I'm stumped on PAY-LODGE.
>
> Anyone?
>
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