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Re: KLBC Nature Phenomenon



On:         Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:45:05 -0200
Eduardo Fonseca  wrote....

>>    I wonder how we use the verbs which indicates the 
>>nature phenomenon. I mean, we say: It's raining or
>>it's snowing, it's storming. But how can we say it 
>>in klingon? Who is the subject and object?

Qov replied.......

>Short answer: 
>
>We don't know.
>
>Medium answer: 
>
>  I currently prefer the indefinite subject.  There is no clear subject
>or object.
>SISlu' - it's raining  
>peDlu' - it's snowing

>The long answer:
>Is the thread of arguments and conflicting advice that >this post
will engender.


Now for me:

I've already read one or two but not wanting to disapoint Qov here's
what my brain chewed around for a while and spat out.....

Excuse me for jumping in at the deepend here but surely the 'subject'
of  - rain (v) - is the weather (or possibly the atmosphere/sky).  The
'object' would then be the noun which is rained upon eg the house, the
ground, the hill, the region and so on. Maybe even 'the
event/celebration'.  I would imagine that as a rule the O & S would
remain unspecified especially the subject. 
This would then lead to statements like 

'It rained on our region Yesterday'   -  wa'Hu' SepmajDaq  SISpu'

I assumed that the prefix would be it/it (it rained on it).

Question: If I wanted to imply that it rained only yesterday and not
before or after would I say:       wa'Hu' SepmajDaq  SISchoHpu'   -   
or would I have to say it in 2 sentences like:  wa'Hu' SepmajDaq 
SISchoH   'ach  ram mevpa' (Yesterday it started to rain on our region
but night before it ceased)  I've just had a thought would it actually
be  - neH wa'Hu' SepmajDaq  SISpu'.

I was going to say   -  wa'Hu'  neH .... -   but wouldn't that imply
that 'yesterday it merely rained on our region (as opposed to other
regions)'.

Anyway I'm getting side tracked here. I started off just meaning to
takle the O&S discussion.   To illustrate my original point if I used
it in full I might say:

povam  lopno'Daq  SIStaH  muD  Dotlh  'ach   DaH  mevpu'
'This morning the weather rained (continuously) on the celebration but
now it has ceased.'


qe'San




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