tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jan 22 09:30:50 1998
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Re: KLBC Poetry
- From: "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC Poetry
- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:45:42 -0500
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From: Qov <[email protected]>
To: Multiple recipients of list <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: KLBC Poetry
>At 00:59 98-01-10 -0800, tlhIbwI' wrote:
>}>The bug on the hand died.
>}Hegh ghopDaq 'oHbogh ghew'e'
>}
>Relative clauses with locatives
>in them are hairy. The only one we have is {meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH
>neH}. I believe that what you have written follows the rules as we know
them.
No, it doesn't. You can use locatives in combination with relative clauses
as long as the locative noun is either the subject or object of the relative
clause. (Okrand said this somewhere, can someone tell me where? It was
along the lines of, "I can't seem to make the locative be anything other
than subject or object of the clause.")
meQtaHbogh qachDaq
In a house which is burning.
The locative {qachDaq} is the subject of the relative clause. No problem.
qIb HeHDaq, 'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq
'oHtaH.
on the edge of the galaxy, beside a passage to unknown regions of the
universe, (SkyBox card 99)
This is an exceedingly complex sentence fragment, but it works. It's got
one locative relative clause (making a grand total of two that we know
about):
'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh
to unknown regions of the universe
The locative phrase is the object of the relative clause. Note that this
should properly be {'u' SepmeyDaq luSovbe'lu'bogh}, though it's tricky to
see why.
Unfortunately, the suggested sentence does NOT follow the known rules.
Hegh ghopDaq 'oHbogh ghew'e'
The locative is *modifying* the relative clause, not acting as its subject
or object, and we have no way of knowing whether this is correct. From what
Okrand has said, I'd have to say this DOESN'T work. (The fact that this
isn't a verb but a pronoun just makes this sentence even ickier.)
We do have
loghDaq Suvrupbogh SuvwI'pu' chaH Hoch SuvwI'pu''e'.
In space, all warriors are cold warriors. (TKW 33)
but the {loghDaq} may not be part of the {Suvrupbogh SuvwI'pu'}, but rather
modifying the main sentence, whose "verb" is {chaH}.
SuStel
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