tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Feb 25 13:40:14 1998
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Re: 'ul
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: 'ul
- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:40:11 -0500 (EST)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from "Steven Boozer" at Feb 25, 98 12:27:17 pm
According to Steven Boozer:
>
> : According [Voragh]:
> :
> : Well, the OTHER mention of it is in the KGT dictionary, where
> : it is listed as "electricity".
>
> va! Too trivial to mention. I suppose I should have said explicitly "the
> only other mention of {'ul} IN ANY CONTEXT by Okrand..."
Well, I don't think the definition is all that trivial. I know
that many wanted {'ul} to be a unit of electricity, but the
definitions of the other unit-of-measure words all stated that
they were units of measure. {'ul} didn't do that. I do consider
that to be significant.
> Right. I found a better example of {law'} being used with mass nouns:
>
> HoS law'qu' luch law'qu' je lo' Duj nuH pat Hub pat je
> A huge amount of the ship's power and technology is devoted to its
> weapons grid and defensive systems. SP3
maj.
> I wonder if its antonym {puS} "be few, be several, be a handful" also works
> this way with mass nouns to mean "some (of), a little (of)". Aside from
> {law'/puS} constructions, we've only seen puS used with count nouns:
>
> pIpyuS pach DaSop DaneHchugh pIpyuS puS DaghornIS
> If you want to eat pipius claw, you'll have to break a few pipiuses. TKW
>
> qagh, ro'qegh'Iwchab, targh tIq Sop 'e' lungIl Humanpu' puS
> Few humans dare to eat gagh, rokeg blood pie, or heart of targ. S21
>
> If so, we could say something like:
>
> Qapchu' Hong QuQvam chu'; HoS puSqu' lo'.
> This efficient new impulse engine uses very little energy.
>
> Or do we have to use the noun {'op} "some, an unknown or unspecified
> quantity" (KGT):
>
> 'ej DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law'
> po' puS
> It [IKC Pagh] has... some of the finest warriors in the Klingon fleet. S7
I'd lean heavily toward assuming that {puS} does work with mass
nouns as an antonym for {law'} with {'op} representing a
quantity somewhere between these extremes, much like the
English, "a lot of", "a little of" and "some of". In this {'op}
example, we don't know if a lot of the best warriors or a few
of the best warriors are on the ship, but we DO know that SOME
of the best warriors are on that ship.
> BTW, it's interesting that we now have words for three types of energy:
> HoS, 'ul and Hong (whatever that is). Any more?
parmaq. It's more effective than pain sticks and 'ul. Of
course, it might be considered a form of Hong. {{:)>
> : charghwI'
>
> Voragh
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