jIghItlh >va! jItlhIjqu'. As I look back on it, I realize that: {Hoch} *must* >precede {HInam} -- and also, it is a part of {HInam} as well. Does this >solve your question? tlhIngan jIHbe'ba' -- jItlhIjqangchu'. I wrote that too late at night. Qapla' qoror