tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Oct 10 12:15:36 1997
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Re: it's difficult to endure the pain
- From: Qov <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: it's difficult to endure the pain
- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:15:18 -0700
At 11:47 97-10-10 -0700, Edy wrote:
} Greetings Qov!
}
}> } `These exemples are easy, but when we have phrases like:
}> }"It's difficult to endure the pain" becomes a bit difficult.
}>
}> That's clearly an indefinite subject that is enduring the pain.
}> {'oy' SIQlu'taHvIS Qatlh ghu'} "The situation is difficult while one
}> endures pain."
}
} Allow me to desagree. Some gramarians say that it is a "orational
}subject", (sorry but I don't know it's name in english), may be "phrasal
}subejct".
We can't always get an exact match between Klingon and Terran languages, and
if I haven't hit your idea I accept that.
}It's an interesting analisys because they define the subject as:
} "to endure the pain". As it becomes too difficult to translate into Klingon,
}we have to change the phrase to keep the idea. In this specific case, it's
}difficult to see the "pain" as subject.
Klingon does not permit a "sentence-as-subject" structure.
}> You could change it to "It's difficult for me to endure the pain."
}> {'oy' vISIQtaHvIS Qatlh ghu'} if that was what you meant.
}
} We can change the sentence, but the main idea is lost.
I wasn't sure what the main idea *you* indended by the English sentence was.
Nothing rong itht he English sentence just that English can be inspecific.
}"The situation is difficult while I'm enduring the pain"
}
}> Read about {-lu'}in section 4.2.5.
}
} Yes, it's a trick to help us a good translation. I think we can use:
}SIQmeHlu' Qatlh 'oy'. (The pain is difficult for one endure).
SIQlu'meH 'oy' Qatlh - It's difficult in order to endure the pain.
Yes, that works well.
} I know I'm annoying you but it's a very difficult point for me.
Not at all. Just understand that you won't find an exact match. Analogy of
the day: it's like trying to find a nailpolish from Helena Rubenstein that
is exactly the same colour as your L'Oreal nailpolish. You just have to
find something close and then repaint all your nails. :P
Qov [email protected]
Beginners' Grammarian