tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 20 02:09:26 1997
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"The ship in which I fled"
- From: "Anthony.Appleyard" <[email protected]>
- Subject: "The ship in which I fled"
- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:09:06 GMT
- Organization: Materials Science Centre
- Priority: normal
Hereinafter TH = tlhIngan-Hol email group.
Excuse me raising this topic yet again. The only book that I have that seems
to have information re how to use {-'e'} is TKD, which says only:-
(1) TKD 3.3.5 says that on a noun it emphasizes that noun.
(2) TKD 6.3 describes its use with a noun which is the subject of "be".
(3) TKD said nothing about -'e' in relative clauses, but TH says that Okrand
said orally that -'e' can be used to mark the head-word in relative clauses.
TKD when describing relative clauses said that "the head-word can either
follow or precede the noun", but did not seem to me to say explicitly that the
head-word must be subject or object; all nouns in a sentence are somewhere
before or after the verb. His examples, e.g. (puq qIppu'bogh yaS}, have no
nouns except subject and object, but to me do not seem to say explicitly
whether or not the asterisked translations hereinunder are valid:-
{pa'Daq verengan targh HoHpu'bogh loD}
(A) the man who killed the Ferengi's targ in the room.
(B) the Ferengi's targ which the man killed in the room.
(C) **the Ferengi whose targ the man killed in the room.
(D) **the room in which the man killed the Ferengi's targ.
With -'e' these would become:-
(a) {pa'Daq verengan targh HoHpu'bogh loD'e'} - subject
(b) {pa'Daq verengan targh'e' HoHpu'bogh loD} - object
(c) **{pa'Daq verengan'e' targh HoHpu'bogh loD} - genitive / owner @
(d) **{pa'Daq'e' verengan targh HoHpu'bogh loD} - with preposition
(@ = {smichut} for any Hebrew grammarians out there.}
Before rule (3) came out, by rule (1) any of (a)(b)(c)(d) would have seemed
to me to mean any of (A)(B)(C)(D) but emphasizing the noun with the -'e', and
TKD does not seem to me to say explicitly that (c)(d) would have been illegal.
By rule (3), (a) to (d) now mean (A) to (D) respectively. I was once told
off by a pabpo' for using type (c) in a message in Klingon about blowtorches.
**{pa'Daq'e' verengan targh HoHpu'bogh loD vISay'qu'nISmoHpu'} would be
"I had to sterilize the room in which the man had killed the Ferengi's targ."
Please what was Okrand's exact wording of his oral ruling re usage (3)?