tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Mar 02 07:06:30 1997
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RE: ram chal wanI'
- From: DaQtIq <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: ram chal wanI'
- Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 10:05:59 -0500
Lawrence-vaD jang SuStel, jabbI'IDwIj luqeltaHvIS:
>> course to take. But "Hovghom" works. Even without the context, it's
>> got to mean "constellation."
>
>I agree. DaQtIq is very good at knowing when a compound will work.
choquvmoH. DujwIj vIvoqtaH neH.
>> >Hov wovqu' vIlegh. targhHovqoq 'oH.
>>
>> Okay, I confess, you made me smile here. How to say "the Dog star" in
>> Klingon? Are targhmey the same as dogs? The question is rendered moot
>> by the excellent use of "-qoq" here. Just splendid.
>
>I don't like using {-qoq} or any of the other Type 3 Noun Suffixes this way.
>Unless Klingons actually call the star {targhHov}, then it *isn't* so-called.
>And this isn't trying to be ironic.
I sort of was being ironic. My Klingon self was bemused by the fact that
these Humans have a star they call the "Dog Star". Would a "real" Klingon
analogize dogs and targhs? Would this real Klingon find it odd? <shrug>
>Heh . . . you could call it {Sagh} . . . (That's a joke. Really.) No, I
bItlhaQqu'. wejpuH... {{;P
>> > cha' yuQ vIleghlaw'. yuQ Doq vIlegh 'ej chaq yuQ tInqu' vIlegh.
>> > DIch vIghajbe'.
>>
>> This is on my list of grammatical details I want to pry out of Okrand.
>> Does one "possess" certainty? (This by the way is precisely the sort of
>> word I'd expect to find a Klingon verb for). You can argue that while
>> this is an abstraction, one can possess it just as we can say one
>> possesses honor (no TKD or TKW handy, but I'm fairly certain [sic] that
>> we have canonical examples using "have" with honor). But does that make
>> it appropriate to use with "DIch?" I understood what DaQtIq intended,
>> but I don't know if it's grammatical. SuStel? Seqram?
>
>Well, there's {pIch vIghajbe'} "It's not my fault," on the first page of TKD
>and in the Useful Phrases section.
While it is grammatical and has foundation in canon, i'm not very enthused
by this sentence either. It seems very English. Since <pIch> is also a verb,
why didn't Dr. Okrand use <HIpIchQo'!> for "It's not my fault!" ? I think
i should have worked with the suffixes rather than take the lazy way out.
Perhaps <yuQ tInqu' vIleghbejbe'>... hmmm... with <-bejbe'> does the
uncertainity shifts to the verb from the object? Better: <chaq yuQ tInqu'
vIlegh. jISovbejbe'.>
>> >ram chalDaq puvwI' puS tu'lu'.
>>
>> This one confused me a bit. "puvwI'" is still a little too open-ended
>> for me. Lots of things fly.
>
>Yeah, I was wondering if they were bats, as this was night. Still, there's
>not much we can do about it.
<grin> I do have a history of writing about bats, don't i?
ghunchu'wI' has some good compounds for planes which he has suggested and
used. I should have been more precise. (All together now: "A Klingon may be
inaccurate however...")
- DaQtIq