tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jul 09 09:58:26 1997
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Re: De''e' neHbogh charghwI'
- From: "Robyn Stewart" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: De''e' neHbogh charghwI'
- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:57:54 PST
- Organization: NLK Consultants, Inc.
- Priority: normal
lab charghwI'
& According to Robyn Stewart:
&
& > Qermaq's ?<jIHvaD mIw DayajmoH> parallels the <ghojmoH> example
& > quite neatly, but it seems to mean "You cause the procedure to
& > understand for me."
&
& That is because you are logically building this construction
& out of the meaning of each word rather than accepting the
& unusual grammatical construction Okrand has given us for using
& {-moH} on a transitive verb.
&
& The starting point that causes what I consider to be your error
& is that you have not reconstructed the intransitive {-moH}
& using the new information Okrand has given us.
& [...]
&Now, does this make more sense?
Definitely. DaH jIyajchu'. But it's going to take me a while to learn
to hear a sentence like <targhvaD qam'a' HIvmoH 'avwI'> and know who
is causing what to attack whom, without a few mental circles and
arrows. I mean it really *sounds* like the prisoner is the one being
made to attack.
targh HIvmoH 'avwI' - The guard made a targ attack.
targhvaD HIvmoH 'avwI'. - The guard made a targ attack. (formal)
targhvaD qam'a' HIvmoH 'avwI' - The guard made a targ attack the
prisoner.
Hmm, so verb+-moH doesn't really mean "cause to verb" It means
"cause to be verbed, make verbed"
SoHvaD mIw vIyajmoH - I make the procedure understood by you.
(I make you understand the procedure)
ghaHvaD DI vIleghmoH - I make the rubble seen by him.
(I make him see the rubble)
pa' vISay'moH - I cause the room to be clean. (I clean the room)
Did I miss this new information during my tlhIngan Hol downtime or
did I just never notice its significance before? What is the source?
- Qov
Robyn Stewart [email protected]
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