tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Dec 31 10:06:36 1997
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Re: KLBC: Short and Easy [James] [Not so short and easy]
- From: James Coupe <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC: Short and Easy [James] [Not so short and easy]
- Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:40:33 +0000
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
In article <[email protected]>, "William H.
Martin" <[email protected]> writes
>On Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:26:19 -0800 (PST) James Coupe
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, "William H.
>> Martin" <[email protected]> writes
>> >> Which seems to fit with Okrand's usage of direct and indirect objects in
>> >> KGT (like latlh HIvje'Daq 'Iw HIq bIr vIqang - I (subject) pour the cold
>> >> bloodwine (object) into another glass (indirect object, I think)).
>> >
>> >It really helps to cite page numbers so we can look up the
>> >larger context in examples like this. Anyway, {latlh HIVje'Daq}
>> >is not an indirect object. It is a locative. It simply tells you
>> >where the action of the verb occurs.
>>
>> First of all, apologies for my appaling example but it was the best I
>> could think of at the time. Anyway, what is the difference between:
>>
>> I pour the cold bloodwine into another glass
>>
>> and
>>
>> I give the ball to you.
>
>Let's add a little detail and this may become more clear. I pour
>cold bloodwine into a glass for you. Now, you can see that the
>benefactor of the pouring is "you", so "you" is the indirect
>object. "Into a glass" is just the location where the pouring
>took place. It is not the indirect object. It is just a
>locative. The bloodwine is the direct object while "I" is the
>subject.
>
Okay, I believe you. As I said (at one point) I'm not a grammarian and
you are (were).
<snip>
>
>I sit in a chair or on a table. I would never sit on a chair or
>in a table.
Really? How interesting. Must be a dialect thing. I sit on a chair
all the time. Never sit in a table, of course.
>The wine glass is not sentient
Come on. This is the 24th century we're talking about here. Wine
glasses have got to have achieved sentience by now }};)
>charghwI', taghwI' pabpo' ru'
>Temporary Beginner's Grammarian, December 20-30
>
>
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