tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri May 31 16:34:37 1996
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RE: Klingon writing tool
- From: [email protected]
- Subject: RE: Klingon writing tool
- Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 01:20:45 +0200
At 04:53 PM 28/5/96 -0700, you wrote:
>but even more
>so because of the fight that Worf had with that Bajoran youth, which gave
>her the chance to speak out against her teacher. Don't forget why Mok'bara
>is taught, that is to enhance one's agility in hand-to-hand combat, it
>helped to revive the dormant warrior spirit in "Birthright I" Stardate
>46578.4. In this way kata is also used to heighten the hand-eye and
>hand-to-hand combat ability of the karate user.
>----------------
>Kata/forms/sets, in Japanese or Chinese MAs, are used for a number of purposes
>including agility, physical exercise, hand-eye coordination, and improving the
>ability to move from posture to posture smoothly, quickly, and with power.
>----------------
>
>Tai Chi is in no part a
>physical fighting exercise, thus would be a useless comparison to be used in
>conjuncture with Mok'bara. This naturaly means that Dan Curry [see ST:E] is
>not as much of an expert as he thinks that he is, but neither are the writers.
>
>----------------
>Hold on, back up the wagon pardoner. Tai Chi, in it's original and pure
form, is
>*exaclty* a fighting art. There are three major 'internal' fighting arts
from China;
>Tai Chi, Hsing-I, and Pa Kua. Among the Tai Chi styles are; Yang, Chen,
Wu, and
>Sun, and others. Every one of these was developed SPECIFICALLY as a fighting
>art. Trace the lineages for yourself.
>
>Don't be fooled by Western NewAge Tai Chi, every Tai Chi posture is a
block, strike,
>grapple, or take down. If you can't see it in the movements then the
movements aren't
>being executed correctly and with the intent and focus necessary.
I realize this, but as a person with some knowledge of Tai Chi, you would
have to admit that Tai Chi,not the Western New Age Tai Chi, now, as I can't
comment on the past, has to much of a spiritual context, appossed to kata
which is more, as I was told, an advancement on the karate teachings.
>Don't be fooled by the lack of speed, there are Japanese karate kata that
are also done
>slowly as also there are Chinese 'hard' or 'external' styles that have sets
that are
>performed slowly.
Not at all, I've seen karate kata performed slowly in the most flowing way
and Tai Chi in a harsh agressive way. No, my ideas come from watching and
learning the feeling behind both Arts. I've been able to do neither, because
of the fear of my parents, thusly making me a avid watcher and enjoyer of
the Arts.
>Also understand that the religious (Taoist or Buddhist) connection to the
origins of Tai
>Chi is nonsense. Tai Chi was used as a training adjunct by Taoist and
Buddhist monks
>but it did NOT come from these religious teachings.
This I know, the Buddhist monks were mearly teachers as are the sensi <sp?>
of today. Not forgetting that Tai Chi was developed before Budisme had begon.
>-----------------
>
>>As for the fight scenes we've seen, I'd say they look just like
>>Hollywood martial arts, and not very good Hollywood martial arts
>>at that.
>
>That is indeed the case, but that we can again atribute to the lack of
>understanding that Dan Curry shows on the subject of martial arts on a whole.
>
>-----------------
>I can't comment on Dan Curry's MAs knowledge but then I also don't think
someone who
>doesn't recognize Tai Chi as martial art should either. :-)
If you can show me were I said that you're a better man than I, unless I
said that Tai Chi is not percieved as a Martial Art, but more as a form of
yoga. (Which I never said, but I could've. (c;{{{)
>Virtually nothing in Star Trek should be used as a basis for an 'official'
Klingon MA.
>Typically there would be many MA styles as there are on Earth, some
developed and
>refined in 'religious' settings such as monasteries and others developed
with in families
>and passed own from generation to generation.
>
>That I know of there are two 'fan' styles of MA developed outside of
Paramount;
>Qinlat Monastery developed a style based on Kempo, I believe, in a
philosophical
>setting. I have developed a style called Hung family style based loosely
on Chinese
>Hung Gar style kung fu and Sun style Tai Chi.
I would like to hear more on the subject.
Anyway I agree with all the things you have said, even in previous mailings,
but for the fact that you left too many gaps that I could still question.
You have been a worthy advicery.
Qapla'
beHwI"av