tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Dec 17 18:14:30 1996
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RE: mu'tlheghmey javDIch vImugh
- From: "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: mu'tlheghmey javDIch vImugh
- Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 01:55:31 UT
December 17, 1996 6:26 AM, jatlh HurghwI':
> jatlh SuStel:
> >December 16, 1996 6:38 PM, jatlh HurghwI':
> >
> >> jIQub, vaj jIH
> >> "I think, therefore I am."
> >> Are you allowed to use a pronoun-as-verb intransitively like this?
> >[...]
> >If you say this again, you are the Fek'lhr incarnate!
>
> Was the debate over this phrase or the unusual verb?
Look in the archives, under the thread "I think therefore I am."
> >> BIHe'DI' targh vIqaw
> >> "You smell like a targ."
> >
> >Considering the Klingon sense of smell and the fact that some sayings
relate
> >to this (see TKW pp. 157, 159), I would not be surprised to see someone
> >"remembering" a targ when he smells you. However, if I hadn't read TKW, I
> >would have said
>
> Yes, that's partially where I got the idea.
>
> >bIHe'So'! targh Darur. noSvagh yIlo'!
> >
> >The idea is plain that you are not referring to how I look like a targ, but
> >rather how I smell like one.
>
> I really wanted to use "remind," as in "When you emit odor, I am reminded of
> a targ." The only problem was I wasn't sure how to use {qaw'moH}.
Well, in that case, {targh vIqaw} is fine. {qawmoH} gets a bunch of funny
problems. One of the SkyBox cards says {ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH} for (more or
less) "it reminds him of his heritage." Now, if you take this as correct (I'm
not liking it), you could say
{jIHvaD targh qawmoHlu'}
I am reminded of a targh.
However, combining {-moH} and {-lu'} in this way is self-defeating; they tend
to cancel each other out. It becomes {targh vIqaw}.
> >SoH mIgh law' Hoch vISovbogh mIgh puS.
> >You are more evil than everyone I know.
>
> oops, I forgot that second "mIgh" and the "Sov."
> The problem with this is that it implies that either I don't know you, or
> you are more evil than yourself.
I don't understand how you arrive at the first problem. How does this imply
that I don't know you?
As to the second, I don't agree. The normal form of this would be {A Q law'
Hoch Q puS}. Does this mean that A is more Q than itself? No. It's just a
matter of funny translation from one language to another.
Oh, I see why you thought it implied that you don't know me. No, I disagree,
for the same reason as above.
> It couldn't be the former because I
> obviously know you well enough to say that you're evil. I wasn't sure if a
> Klingon would care about this level of detail. SoH mIgh law' Hoch SoH
> rurbe'bogh nuv vISovbogh mIgh puS.
{Hoch SoH rurbe'bogh nuv vISovbogh}
A person whom I know who doesn't resemble each you.
Why are you trying to do this? Even if you can use {Hoch} with pronouns, I
suspect that you'd need {Hoch tlhIH}. (Possibly this would get into whether
the pronoun refers to the singular or the plural.)
Quite simply, I do not understand this phrase!
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SuStel
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