tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Aug 02 17:41:52 1996
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Re: An offer you shouldn't refuse!
- From: [email protected]
- Subject: Re: An offer you shouldn't refuse!
- Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 20:43:12 -0400
qaSDI' 96-08-02 19:14:10 EDT, jatlh Kenneth Traft:
> >On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 [email protected] wrote:
>
> >tlhIngan Hol "Bible" 'ay'Daq mughlu'bogh, Dochvam vIlegh. "John 3:16"Daq
> >"believe in him" tu'lu', 'ej {*ghaHDaq Har} ghItlhlu'pu'.
Dochvam vIghItlhbe'bejqu'! not DIvI' Hol, tlhIngan Hol joq *Bible* vIlaDta'.
"ghaHDaq Har"mo' jIjatlh, 'ach *Bible* vIqelbe'!
> Glen's reason for using <-Daq> comes from the reference in Conversation
> Klingon when they referenced to Kahless's spirit within you (I don't have
> the
> exact quote sorry), The phrase "within you" was translated <SoHDaq>. Glen
> does not think they were refering to a physical space in this instance.
I think this usage of {-Daq} only makes sense because one will see the idiom
in it. You say the phrase "believe in" is used in all Indo-European
languages. Well then, what about, say, Japanese? Suppose someone who spoke
Japanese learned Klingon. Unless "believe in" is a universal human
linguistic construct, he is not going to understand {ghaHDaq Har}, without
first referencing an Indo-European language. Unless you can explain what
other sense {-Daq} is taking in {ghaHDaq Har}, and can convince me that it is
really usable, I will continue to see it as "He believes at his
location/inside him," which is nonsensical.
> >On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 [email protected] wrote:
> >tlhIngan Hol "Bible" 'ay'Daq mughlu'bogh, Dochvam vIlegh.
cha'logh bIquvHa''eghmoH! mu'tlheghvam vIghItlhbe'qu'!
> >>Mark Shoulson replied:
> >>You may have to say "<Bible> 'ay' mughta'lu', 'ej 'ay'vamDaq..."
> Glen believes that [email protected]'s translation is correct, but
suggested
> using <'e'> instead of <Dochvam>. Also that Mark made a typo on
<mughlu'ta'>
> (<ta'> is a type 7 suffix and <lu'> is a type 5).
mu'tlheghvam vIghItlhchugh, "Dochvam vIlegh" vIghItlhbe'bej. 'ej ram
mu'meyvam.
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