tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Jan 06 10:10:30 1995
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Re: Gaps in Klingon
- From: [email protected] (David Barron)
- Subject: Re: Gaps in Klingon
- Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 11:07:14 -0700 (MST)
A. Appleyard writes:
>
> As Marc Okrand likely has other things to do than to carry the sole
>labour of updating Klingon, is there a chance of us on tlhIngan-Hol getting
>together to produce a `choHmey qechmey ghItlh` = "List of Ideas for
>.Alterations" that we could forward to him? This would include such patches to
>fill gaps as:-
I have to object for one, I consider the study of tlhIngan Hol an exersice
in archeology and logic. We discover what we can with what we have
and logicly conclude how to use it.
>(1) A way to produce the simple infinitive of any verb.
One can function quite well without an infinitve in tlhIngan Hol.
If you can give an example where an infinitve is ESSENTIAL to the
context of the translation you might convince me otherwise.
>(2) In `X Z law' Y Z puS` (X & Y are nouns, Z is (verb used as) adjective), =
> X is Z'er than Y", permission to omit or shorten the second occurence of a
>long phrase used as Z.
I think this is a problem of simply not doing it enough to get use to it.
It is akward and *I* am not used to it yet but I dont want to change it.
This construct IS VERY DIFFERENT from what we english speakers are used to
but it WORKS JUST AS WELL.
I personally would like a plural third person article in English but can find
and in short am livingg with it.
>(3) Ability e.g. to use `tlhej` = "accompany" as an adverb "together" or a
>noun suffix "together with", by analogy of some other words that are also
>used as suffixes. (E.g. once when I was writing a bit of Klingon, I needed a
>word for "around" and found none, so I had no remedy except to venture to bend
>the rules and use the noun for "orbit" as a noun suffix = "around".)
Creating canon is not up to us unless you wish to be the only sppeaker of
some archane klingon dialect.
Depending on the context "orbit" could be used but not as a suffix.
Agreed, there are some needed vocabulary, especilly prepositions, I do think
Okrand can help us here.
FINAL NOTE: If we stick within the rules which we are given we
will exersice our creativity. Trying to break those rules you are exercisie
creativity but I consider it a "cheat". I firmly believe most
of the obsticles you feel can be overcome if without creating new canon.
Please give an example of where we must create canon to solve a problem.
I think if We can translate Hamlet to Klingon without new canon we can do
almost anything.
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