tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Sep 01 10:55:50 1994
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KLBC: Another saying
- From: [email protected] (Bill Willmerdinger)
- Subject: KLBC: Another saying
- Date: Thu, 01 Sep 1994 21:12:14 -0500
in> From: "William H. Martin" <ur-valhalla!jm.acs.virginia.edu!whm2m>
in> According to Bill Willmerdinger:
> jaghlI' chIlghachmey DatoghlaHpa' chIlghachmeylI' Datogh 'e' DaghojnIS
in> Not bad. The only questionable point is that once an enemy or a
in> soldier is referred to as a "loss", it is questionable that he
in> is capable of using language. You followed the model of the
in> earlier translation, but you might consider using
in> {chIlghachmeylIj}.
Point conceeded; I hadn't thought that far, since I really wanted to
rephrase.
> Heghbogh jaghpu'lI' mI' DatoghlaHpa' Heghbogh SuvwI'pu'lI' mI' Datogh 'e'
> DaghojnIS
>
> "Before you can count the number of your enemies who (will) die, you must
> learn to count the number of your warriors who (will) die."
in> I agree that, in my opinion, this translation is better. My one
in> concern is that we are making a presumption about how a Klingon
in> would translate {Datogh 'e' DaghojnIS}. You interpret it to
in> mean, "You must learn to count them." I would tend to interpret
in> this as, "You must learn that you count them." I see this as
in> closer to learning whether or not you count them, as opposed to
in> learning HOW to count them.
Would saying {DatoghnIS 'e' DaghojnIS} have been better in this context? "You
must learn that you must count them." Or even better, {DatoghnISqu' 'e'
DaghojnIS}... "You must learn that you *must* count them."
in> This puts me in conflict with Guido's discomfort with the
in> question word {chay'}. Since we disagree on this, I must forge
in> ahead with my own opinion. I would follow Krankor's example
in> given in a HolQeD article I cannot specifically cite just now.
in> This combines the question "How do you count them?" and "You
in> must learn that."
You're refering to HolQeD 1:2? The bit about "How can I own a great warship?"
I only found that just now.... interesting.
> toghnIS chaH 'e' rut lughojbe' jaghlI' 'e' DaqawnIS
>
> "You must remember that sometimes your enemies do not learn that they
> need to count."
in> majQa!
The praise goes to Qob's head, and he begins to feel cocky....
... "Always remember, the Thought Admiral has eyes everywhere!"